Prime Edwin Valero vs prime Ricky Hatton?

:roll: Yes, because height is the only dimension bigness might refer to.

 

Ban.

 

I do have eyes and watched both in their primes, that's why this is a clear mismatch for Hatton.

...and this is coming from someone who never was a big fan of Ricky's, criticized him often during his career, thought he received a gift over Collazo, and found him to be overrated by most Brits.

I'm actually a step or two ahead of you, in case you're thinking my conclusion is based strictly on lazy logic of Valero never having faced an elite.

What I saw of him against the best of the sub-elites he faced (Mosquera, DeMarco, Pitalua) - was plenty for me to determine that he would've faltered against true elites. Applying the flaws of those performances - and impressive as they were given the over matched opponents, there were flaws - to a hypothetical match-up with someone like prime Hatton, it's very easy to see where Valero gets put through a meat grinder.

It's no secret I'm the furthest thing from a "*******" - but people suggesting Valero would have matched up well against Pac-Man (or even knocked him out!! :scaredas: :nut) are out of their minds.

He was a good super featherweight, and seemed to have been transitioning into a good lightweight. At neither weight did he show any glimpses of anything even remotely approaching greatness.

 

Let me clarify you fukken neanderthals.

Hatton is too small for 147, he caps off at 140 hard like zab judah.


To say that the massive size difference between the two 5'6ers who both cant go past 140lbs is a huge deal is just silly to me.

So a 5'6 featherfisted bradley can dominate the 140 division but valero is just too small and weak to compete with little ass hatton? I dont get it.

 

thank you, this is much better than a rolling eyes smiley. Like i said, I would favor hatton. But he's incredibly hittable, and I certainly wouldn't have been shocked to see valero win by a KO. fast hand, power, and agressive combination punching can be a huge equalizer for lack of higher opposition.

 

Let me clarify for you, Australopithecus.

Not everyone can weight climb.

Hatton was strong at 140. It was his natural weight, and he wore it comfortably. Yes, he was a small welter - and yes, he probably never could've made 135 without boiling down to uselessness. Some boxers are only meant for one division. A select few can pull off crazy hikes like Manny Pacquiao, Hank Armstrong and Sam Langford - but that isn't a standard to unfairly hold everyone up to.

Valero looked strong at 130. He looked weaker at 135 (but still strong). His punches lost some zip and he seemed to be more reliant on his speed than his power, compared to his 130lb efforts. It stands to reason that he would further weaken moving up yet another five pounds.

 

Sure it "stands to reason" that he wouldnt be the powerpuncher he was at 140lbs. No shiet.


But to say "lolherpderp valero would lose. Hatton way too big and strong for him"

Gimme a fukken break.

 

Did anyone say it was that simple? ****ing ******, GTFO, YDKSAB, DIAF.

 

"In their respective primes they were a super featherweight and a light
welterweight.
Valero capped off at lightweight in his late twenties. Hatton never
weighed in under the lightweight limit (or below 139) in his entire career.
How about prime Sugar Ray Leonard vs. prime Dariusz Michalzewski?"



^ YOUR FIRST POST IN THE GODAMN THREAD. YOU LITERALLY COMPARED SUGAR RAY LEONARD TO A LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT AS A COMPARISON TO THE SIZE DIFFERENCE.



But now its "Who said it would be that simple?" Are you fukken kiddin me bro? You're a clown. How does a basement dwelling neckbeard with 100,000+ posts contradict himself so miserably and blatantly?

 

Brb YOU MIGHT AS WELL LET SRL FIGHT A LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT LOL.

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BRB NO ONE SAID THE FIGHT WOULD SIMPLY COME DOWN TO SIZE DIFFERENCE. UR A ****** LOL.




Jesus tap dancing christ....what is this...I dont even...You win bro. I give up.

 

My original point was that you can't very well logically have a prime vs. prime match-up because they were two divisions apart in their primes.

When analyzing them h2h in a hypothetical match-up (in which you'd presumably have them in the same division, no? ...and at minimum, that would have to be 140lbs, no?) - a different conversation from addressing whether or not they could have realistically even met in thier primes, as was done in my first post here - then natural size & strength become one among many factors in Hatton being an overwhelming favorite.

You're proving yourself to be really stupid...and now you're reaching.

 

Clutching at straws.

 

Ok.

 

Hatton at 140 would give Valero hell. A swarming fighter who was very strong at that weight.

His bodyshots would mess Valero up.