With no "world" titles in MMA

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Thracian, Mar 23, 2013.


  1. Thracian

    Thracian Active Member Full Member

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    What makes a true champion?
     
  2. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    p4p status, peoples choice and UFC championship title
     
  3. Thracian

    Thracian Active Member Full Member

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    UFC title today, or all time?

    PRIDE & WEC belts used to matter, depending on the weight class.

    Or are organizational titles in MMA like boxing-- four titlists means no true champion.
     
  4. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    The UFC has such a monopoly on things, its generally where all the best fighters are, or aspire to end up. So you pretty much say the UFC champ at that weight IS the world champ
     
  5. Flea Man

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    UFC bought those lineages. The only difference being Fedor's HW title lineage, as he never came over in Pride. Then again all of Fedor's vanquishers have been beaten by men who went on to win the HW title (Werdum, Big Foot) or have been beaten by past or present UFC champions before or after (Hendo)

    There can be no doubt that with the acquisition and integration of PRIDE FC and WEC that the UFC made themselves the best fighting organisation in the World. It's the consensus, surely?

    ONE FC and Bellator's champ's will only ever be 'interesting and potentially championship calibre contenders I want to see in the UFC'.

    Boxing 'World' titles were often disputed lineages from different athletic commissions. The MMA scene is a lot easier to decipher in terms of 'who the champions are' then say, the flyweight division throughout the 20s and most of the 30s until Benny Lynch unified.

    The splitting of boxing titles didn't start with WBA and WBC, different divisions throughout history have had issues determining their World champion, the WBA/WBC original split, stemming from Accavallo and Burruni, just broke up a decent run of established World champions. There have been many claimants of World titles in boxing since gloves were mandatory, let alone before that.

    What I'm saying is fight fans have always had to use a bit of common sense to see who the man is if two people claiming to be haven't fought. And I think that MMA fans, I hope, can use their noggin and see that the UFC champions are the consensus no.1 in the World.

    Now I'm jut praying Pat Curran can somehow escape from Bellator :yep
     
  6. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This.

    After the death of Pride the WEC had legit lighter weight champions, and until recently the Strikeforce HW division had some credibility, but as of right the UFC is where it's at.
     
  7. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A UFC 'World' champ is just the same as any boxing 'world' champ. The UFC is an organisation just like the WBC, IBF, WBO etc. The only true 'world' champs in boxing are unified champs. Where there is no unified world champ in boxing they elect who the no1 Guy is in each division which is the Ring Belt. The only difference is that is is indisputable which the premier organisation in MMA is.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    Not anymore. The Ring is owned by a promotional company (Golden Boy), and has some very odd occurrences in their rankings nowadays. The consensus is that it's lost it's way.

    So you really think that Ben Henderson has to beat Folayang and Michael Chandler to be considered anything more than a belt holder?!?
     
  9. EL BULLY

    EL BULLY Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I personally don't think the Ring Belt means **** and never took any notice of it. But that is what it is supposed to be for isn't it.
     
  10. Ne5ville14

    Ne5ville14 Rationalist by default... Full Member

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    Flea TBH PRIDE HW belt will be unified at UFC 160 with the fight between Cain and BF....and Eddie Alvarez is the lineal LW champ for PRIDE ! ;)
     
  11. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล

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    Well...I guess Michael Chandler is now ;)

    Nah, BJ was the man anyway, not Gomi.

    Fedor lost to Werdum, Werdum 'lost' to Reem, Reem lost to Big Foot, granted. But I'm giving it back to Werdum. Big Al'was 'roiding and that was a close fight :tong

    All jokes aside, it still backs up my point that now, after a weak one previously, UFC now has all the best HW talent around. Look at the state of Bellator's heavyweight division.
     
  12. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bellator has a heavyweight division?
     
  13. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    :yep
     
  14. aliwasthegreatest

    aliwasthegreatest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Typically the UFC title. In some cases it isn't undisputed because someone people consider to be better might be in another league.
     
  15. Thracian

    Thracian Active Member Full Member

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    There's no real rankings or mandatory contenders in MMA. UFC fighters get setup exclusively with other UFC fighters under contract.

    Does that affect the legitimacy of the UFC titles, or are they just organizational titles to begin with?