Better win: Pacquiao-Sasakul or Mayweather-Manfredy?

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Manfredy is one of the shittest fighters I've ever seen.

Sasakul one of the sweetest.

 

Manfredy beat gatti at LW that's why the belt weren't on the line I believe.

sasakul was a solid champ but perhaps never as well known nor as regarded as manfredy was in the big picture.

Probably the mainstream response is manfredy is better because Floyd kicked his ass and he was on serious form.

I'd like to think that those who actually know both fighters would vote sasakul the better victory.

 

Obviously. Sasakul was the f'n man at fly and had beaten a faded, but undefeated nonetheless, Arbachakov.

Good technical little boxer was Sasakul, an Olympian I think.

In terms of the performance Floyd has rarely looked better offensively than he did blasting Manfredy.

Manny was raw, and nothing but a big weight cutter with a powerful left hand. Sasakul was schooling him and Manny pulled of out of his arse.

Both are impressive for different reasons, but Sasakul was the far superior operator, the more historically relevant champion, and made for the more meaningful victory.

However, in another era Manny would've never been able to fight the Thai.

 

Yeah, the only thing that sours that win is that Manny was just so much bigger than Sasakul. I mean, only a couple of fights after this Pacquiao basically passed out in the ring because he was so weak from cutting weight, and about a year later he was competing 3 weight divisions higher than he was when he fought Sasakul. That's crazy.

I've posted several times though about my feelings regarding Manfreddy being a rather average fighter who became known mostly for outboxing Gatti long enough to stop Arturo on cuts, which isn't exactly the equivalent of climbing Mt. Everest in the boxing world. I laugh every time that's listed as a notable win for Mayweather.

So, definitely and without question, Pacquiao-Sasakul.

 

And even then he looked at least 2 weight classes bigger than Ledwaba.

 

First of all, good to see you post here again :hi:

Agree with every word. I was overtly harsh about Manfredy when I just woke up but yes, such an overrated fighter and win. Floyd did exactly what a fighter of his capabilities should do to a fighter like Manfredy.

And Manny getting this hurt by what looks like a jab?!!!?

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He may've made feather in his younger days but he's much bigger than Elorde, who started down at fly and ended up at lightweight.

Always been a lightweight really IMO. Then made natural progression to welterweight.

Pacquiao-Sasakul is worse than Villaflor-Shibata.

 

Thanks, it's good to be around. Doesn't happen too often due to a lot of demands on my time and sometimes feeling a bit talked out on boxing.

I do wonder what it would have been like if Pac had started doing his serious fighting at feather or so instead of ****ing around down at flyweight. If he'd been at more natural weights and been better educated on the essentials of the sport early, who knows what might have changed?

By the way, I agree that lightweight may well have been his best weight. Imagine a Pacquiao who had a dozen or more fights at lightweight instead of 1. That would have been something to see.

 

Sasakul too pac lightly as well.He's mentioned in interviews he took it as a gimme against an unkown and didn't even train much at the time.

Lazy fool.I don't think he ever really had the right mentality for fulfilling his potential.Even against arbachakov in the biggest fights of his career so far, he was taking his foot off the gas numerous times and letting arbachakov outwork him when it seemed he had things in hand.

 

Yes, very talented but lackadaisical fighter.

 

And considering Yuri's mentality and past-prime performances that says a lot about Sasakul's laziness.

 

I've always thought it's interesting that fighter's pre-prime wins where they pull off an upset - like Pacquiao's win versus Sasakul and maybe Toney/Nunn - tend to be downplayed/seen as flukish.

Whereas past-prime wins like say Duran/Barkley or Foreman/Moorer - which could be argued as being a bit flukish, are elevated and given more credit.

You might disagree with those specific examples, but I think that happens often.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, what's the difference between a surprising pre-prime win versus a surprising post-prime win? Or do you disagree there tends to be a difference in their perception?

 

I take it on a case by case basis.

As I've said, it's not a 'fluke' but Manny really ha to pull something out of his arse. And he did, despite being well overmatched in terms of skill.

But it's hard to give him much credit for his performance. But it's a very good win nonetheless.

Toney-Nunn is not comparable IMO. Also, you see a lot of fighters getting credit for pre-prime victories and performances on here. Duran-Marcel, Arguello KO1 Legra, Labarba-McLarnin fights to name a few that have come up recently.

Case by case basis every time rather than set out rules. That's how I see it. Where I can, I give credit to fighters based on the ebb and flow of the bout as much as the outcome.

 

What happened to Popkins is he an alias or did he top himself after JMM-Pac 4?

 

PP your comment about lower weight fighters on the first page of this thread upset me immensely.