Name 5 HW's that you think coulda beat A prime Tyson and 5 that coulda beat Ali prime

Tyson was never really tested in his prime. Based on the Douglas and Holyfields way of breaking him Down - I´ll say:
1. Holyfield
2. Joe Louis
3. Joe Frazier
4. Ali
5. George Foreman

Ali at his prime - 1967 - we never knew how good he could´ve been 1968-1970 against Frazier, Bonavena:

1. Joe Frazier
2. Joe Louis

Frazier on the night of march 8 1971, would´ve beaten anyone in front of him !

 

Tyson was never "perfect" - even when at his best physical condition, he still lacked the versatility and resilience of other ATG HWs.

If Tyson can barely be competitive with a grieving, flu-riddled contender like Douglas just because he's not at his 100% top physical shape, how could even a 100% Tyson be expected to beat someone like Ali? As is, there's the question of whether any version of Tyson would beat a 100% version of Douglas, which he didn't face in Tokyo, let alone fighters like Lewis or the Klitschkos.

 

If he came into the ring as possessed as he did that night with the likes of Lennox Lewis or George Foreman in the opposite corner he'd have needed oxygen and a stretcher when leaving Madison Square Garden.

 

I would be intrested to see prime Ali vs. prime Holmes.
Tyson before prison would have beaten Holyfield, and would have won a rematch with Douglas.

 

This is a joke righ? Don't get me wrong - Tyson was magnetic at his absolute peak, but he look beatable against Frank Bruno. Frank didn't have all the tools he needed, but he made it clear to me that Tyson was not invincible.

Lennox Lewis at his best would knock Tyson out, Ali would knock Tyson out (Tyson didn't have the stamina or the engine that Smoking Joe had to keep the pressure on in the later rounds), Larry Holmes would also be too much for Mike. I see no evidence that Tyson experienced anyone of that quality at his peak. Can I also offer you Frazier? If Tyson didn't get the job done in four he'd be getting carried out on his back, and I'll suggest that Frazier was exactly the warrior to back Mike up and scare the **** out of him. Final offering is prime, young, George Foreman. He'd only have to catch Tyson once.

As for Ali, I'm going with Frazier and Norton, obviously, then add Holyfield, Marciano, and I'm really struggling for number five.

 

Nah, Holy always takes care of Tyson.

 

Lennox Lewis was so scared of him, he knocked him on his arse at the press conference. There was only one man who was scared in that fight and it was Tyson.

They both knew the quality that Lewis possessed and that knowledge benefited one of them. Lewis.

**** post pal, you are talking bollocks my friend. Now **** off.

 

Tyson was in his prime for the Tucker fight. Movement, a good jab with some holding and spoiling made a prime Tyson look ordinary. In fact, Tucker did well for 5 rounds. Imagine if Tyson was in the ring with a prime Holmes or Ali.

When Tyson is negated and the use of his power is taken away, he's just a short heavyweight with small arms who can't do nowt.

 

ALI.
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Riddick Bowe
Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier

TYSON
Ali
Liston
Foreman
Young
Bowe

 

I agree. The funny thing about Mike Tyson is that he has a cohort of extreme nut-huggers who have relinquished any sense of objectivity.

 

Buster Douglas beat a prime Tyson and Doug Jones beat a prime Ali. so numerous fighters could and would of beat them both in their primes. Neither one of these guys are God so they aren't unbeatable.

 

Ali:

Henry Cooper, he actually did beat him but his corner saved him.
Joe Frazier, everyone who knows boxing knows the Ali's weakness is a great left hook.
Ken Norton, same as Frazier.

Tyson:

Evander Holyfield, beacuse he did something on other fighter really thought to do to Tyson and that was to stop his change off of the jab by pushing his shoulder when he wanted to counter. Because of Tyson speed and explosiveness in his prime I'm not sure if anyone could have taken him, his defensive abilities were really good in his prome also.

 

Most great heavy weights beat a prime Tyson, very few great heavyweights beat a prime Ali.

 

Ali

Joe Frazier
Larry Holmes Larry Holmes Larry Holmes
Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson
Joe Louis

Tyson

Muhammad Ali
Larry Holmes
George Foreman
Lennox Lewis
Evander Holyfield
Sonny Liston
Riddick Bowe
Maybe Joe Frazier

 

Nah, prime for prime Tyson beats Holyfield.