"Modern" greats who were dominated\stopped more than once during their prime

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  1. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    By modern let's say 1960s plus, as most fighters fought so often and were matched in a way that this isn't likely to matter nearly as much.though if you want, mention any older fighters if they had a more modern fighting schedule.

    So who, despite not fighting nearly as much and quite often benefiting from more considered matchmaking was still widely defeated or knocked out more than once during their prime years?

    Keep it to fighters widely considered to be great.



    Pone Kingpetch...vs Harada and Ebihara

    Lennox Lewis....vs McCall and Rahman(arguably past prime for the latter)

    Wlad Klitschko....vs Sanders and Brewster

    Marco Antonio Barrera.... vs Junior Jones and Pacquiao



    Emile Griffith could be included depending on how you see some of his decision losses, especially if you think he was still a worthwhile Welter when he fought Napoles.Though his volume of fights make him a bit of a debatable inclusion.
     
  2. The Spider

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    Tommy Hearns.........vs Leonard and Hagler.
     
  3. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Nice.

    Barkley too really, i think Tommy was still prime for that one, give or take.
     
  4. The Spider

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    I gave that consideration too. But the best fit as far as prime goes for Tommy's was the earlier two defeats.
     
  5. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    a few others could belong, though for some i'm not too sure they would be as widely considered as greats.

    Danny Lopez vs Chacon, Gomez and Sanchez

    Donald Curry vs Honeyghan and McCallum

    Hilario Zapata vs Ursua, Chang and Petty

    Shane Mosley vs Vernon Forrest twice

    Chiquita Gonzalez vs Pascua, Carbajal and Sorjaturong(arguably past prime)

    Esteban Dejesus vs Cervantes and Duran 2,3(arguably past prime)


    It'll be interesting to compare all the losses once a few other posters have weighed in and see who has the worst looking losses relative to their reputation.
     
  6. The Spider

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    Some good gets there. Not an easy category to come up with answers for.
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Tyson, Napoles, Foster, Frazier,
     
  8. The Spider

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    Bob Foster is a bit of a stretch. Stopped in his 10th and 17th fight, by Jones & Terrell respectively, at light heavyweight. Then stopped a couple of times years later by none other than Frazier & Ali as an undersized heavyweight. But still.
     
  9. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    i'd say Foster is a technically fair enough inclusion for the Ali and Frazier losses, though obviously he'd be one of the ones where the defeats were most understandable.

    Frazier, Tyson and Napoles...no, Tyson and Frazier only stopped\dominated once during their prime.For Napoles i'm not interested in non-conclusive fights that ended in cuts stoppages.Should have specified that in the first post.

    No cuts losses unless the fighter who lost on cuts was getting beaten widely throughout.
     
  10. Lester1583

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    Trinidad - Oscar and Hop.

    It's a bit of a stretch, I know.

    Oscar didn't dominate him completely.
    And middle is not Trinidad's best weight.

    Floyd Patterson - Liston twice.

    Olivares - Chucho, Herrera.
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    Kenji Matsumura - Khaosai twice.

    Pintor - Gomez, Manuel Vasquez

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  11. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    :lol:


    Don't think Olivares vs Chucho should count though.

    Tito vs DLH and Hop is closer.I think i'd agree there.
     
  12. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    What do you think of Cokes - Napoles, Kitten Hayward?
     
  13. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    D criteria of this thread rules out any gr8ness.
    Any "modernly scheduled" fighter fulfilling d enhanced TS' criteria is at least 1 level below d likes of Jorge Castro , Juan LaPorte , etc.

    I guess Arguello , Hearns , Espinosa , Kevin Kelley and Wilfredo Vazquez will b d closest 2 fullfilling it , but I do not consider them as true gr8s , at least not of d 3-4 highest orders . Wilfredo Gomez is wrongly considered as a gr8 and wrongly considered considerably past his prime vs Nelson so 4 some he may b another .



    And Foster is far from a gr8 , 2 me he is somewhere outside d top 150 (most probably outside of top 200) OAT , and besides of Ali and Frazier , he was also stopped by Doug Jones , Ernesto Terrell and was domin8ed by Mauro Mina , that outside of at least 1 gift decision that i read that he got .

    There r 0 fighters that really fulfill d enhanced TS' criteria .
     
  14. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    That's more like it, but not sure Cokes is really considered Great.

    Worthwhile mention while compiling a list though.

    Throw in Terry Norris too.


    Right now it's looking like Lewis and Klitschko have the worst losses.

    Then Barrera, Mosley, Tito and maybe slightly lower due to lesser reputation...Zapata, Chiquita, Kingpetch, Lopez, Curry, Norris

    A possible top ten emerges:yep
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Pacquiao has lost in all three stages of his career, weight drained lanky sub-feather, 126lb peak and non-cutting welterweight buzzsaw.