Andre Ward is already an ATG

I agree that Eubank was probably a better win for Calzaghe, than Froch was for Ward.
But Lacy and Mitchell? :rofl . What did Mitchell and Lacy ever do in their careers? I don't give a **** about some performance against an overmatched opponent. Froch has beaten plenty of quality opponents, Lacy and Mitchell has beaten none.

 

The Eubank that Calzaghe fought was NOT a better win than beating Froch.

Eubank was weight drained, took the fight on two weeks notice and it showed. Plus he had been struggling against top opposition prior to the Calzaghe bout. He was nowhere near considered a top 20 or even top 50 fighter at that time.

 

Mitchell had beaten long running SMW champ Liles who had a win over Nunn.
2 time WBA SMW champ
He beat #1 Liles (something Ward is praised for doing) by KO
drew with future 2 weight champ Girard
beat Siaca twice who went on to become WBA SMW champ who beat Mundine
beat former MW champ JC Green who beat a prime Joppy before Joppy was beaten by Trinidad or Hopkins.

Mitchell only lost by SD to Ottke and was only ever beaten clearly once as a SMW to Calzaghe

Was Johnson weight drained when Froch only got a Mdec over him?
Calzaghe took the fight at 2 weeks notice also, but like Eubank they were both training for a fight on the same night and Eubank like Calzaghe used to make weight in the last week and was training for a LHW bout.
How was eubank weight drained when in his fight at CW after he puit weights in his pockets to appear heavier and even now in his 40s said he is a LHW now carrying a bit of weight. I can show you the links for all this.
Eubank lost to Collins but one was debateable and the other a SD.

Just compare where Eubank and Kessler were when fighting Calzaghe and Ward respectively

It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.

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Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury


Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss

It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.

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Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury


Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss



So why is one victory so highly rated and not the other??

 

Anybody remember him that was the man who was going to beat SRL.

 

You listen to me pencil top, Froch destroyed Taylor who beat Hopkins more convincingly than Joe did , not once but twice.
Joe dumped his pant at the thought of rematch with Hop so instead he retired.

 

You don't read very well. I didn't say Froch was better than Kess. I said he's worlds better than Mitchell. Which he is. And his resume is pretty impressive pre-Ward. I'll take Pascal over nearly everyone Calzaghe fought prior to Hopkins. LOL @ ducking questions. From a f*g who thinks Byron Mitchell belongs in this conversation?

 

Where did I "highly rate" the Johnson win--like you're doing the Eubank win? Answer that, *****

 

ATG SMW no doubt about it.

 

How was Taylor more convincing when he was having to hang on to survive and being beaten down the stretch.
How was taylor more convincing when if you look at the official scoring, Calzaghe in one fight with Hopkins had a bigger overall points lead than Taylor did against Hopkins in 2 fights combined.
Calzaghe beat Hopkins at a weight where Hopkins was hydrated, Taylor struggled and looked fortunate against Hopkins when Hopkins was at a weight he was struggling to make, as shown with how Hopkins was beating fighters at that weight that Taylor couldnt beat in Wright and Pavlik, yet Calzaghe handled Hopkins at that weight sandwiched between Hopkins best wins.
Anyway
You keep ducking questions Dino

Do you think titles make the fighter? Please answer and tell me what you think of Golovkins WBA MW title defences as that is the oldest belt and in a division that is older

 

This is some of the worst logic I've ever seen applied on here atsch

 

so Pascal who didnt do anything at SMW and looked terrible in some fights, you suddenly rate above most of Calzaghes comp atsch. Dont forget how Pascal lost to a 46 year old when he went up in weight.
What was Pascals best SMW win? Was it as good as Liles for Mitchell?
Dont duck the questions again

How am I a *****? I dont duck questions. Thats what you seem to do .
You rated Froch highly and I noted that coming into his fight with Ward he was coming off a Mdec win over an old boiled down SMW journeyman, before that a win over AA coming in off a loss who had no SMW pedigree and then a loss to Kessler coming in off a loss when unwell, yet you have this sudden great rating for Froch.
Now you rate Pascal as a SMW

 

You know how it is with Dino. Hes like the ESB old punch bag and totally useless but out of sympathy is humoured to make him feel he has a place