I have never seen a case like Roy Jones Jr. Was it mental?

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  1. VivaNazVegas

    VivaNazVegas Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bailey is not sincere when he says that.
    This is what I said to someone else that took bailey's bait.
     
  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Did you see what happened with Chad Dawson and Andre Ward?

    Roy was nearly 35, he'd fought 50 times, and he rushed back for Tarver with no expert help.

    Why is it an excuse?

    He was desperate for Tyson after Ruiz, and he left the Ruiz weight on for a while, hoping that Murad Muhammad could make the fight. When it became apparent that the fight wasn't possible, he signed to fight Tarver.

    For an average camp, Roy used to come in weighing anything between 185-195, with a bit of body fat to lose. When he went into training for Tarver, he was 200 pounds of muscle, with hardly any fat.

    He went from a ripped 200, down to 175 for the weigh in. He lost 25 pounds, and around 14 of those pounds was actual muscle. Coach Merk had him doing nothing much apart from running everyday.

    You make it sound so easy!

    He'd never been in that situation where he'd had to lose muscle. His body wasn't used to it.

    He was running on fumes at the end of the Tarver fight, and Tarver couldn't capitalise.

    Apart from not being at his physical best, and being a long was past his absolute peak, he also wasn't mentally up for the Tarver fights. He desperately wanted Tyson, so he wasn't as fired up and motivated for Tarver. You could see that in his demeanour. Like he said in all the interviews, he'd got everything to lose and nothing to gain. Tarver was pumped! He couldn't wait for his big chance. They had completely different mind sets going into the fights.

    In the second fight, yes Roy was in better condition. But he wasn't in the same condition as he'd been in pre Ruiz. He was just in better condition than the first fight. He'd also got Mackie Shilstone back with him, to give him a psychological boost.

    Tarver caught him with a perfect shot (with his eyes closed) and that was that. It happens.

    Roy wasn't shot, but he was a long way past his best. After Roy had come back from Ruiz, he was a different fighter both mentally and physically.

    I give credit to Tarver, but I don't think Tarver could have beaten Roy had he boxed to his full capabilities. Roy was there for the taking in 2003. He had nothing left after the 9th, and Tarver still lost. So Tarver deserves credit, but I would never class it as a great win, all things considered.

    The fanboys aren't making excuses. It was due to age, the toll on his body, and the fact he faced a good fighter.

    Would Tarver have beaten a pre Ruiz version of Roy? I don't think so.
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I know you seem upset with me Naz, but you have to get over that.
    How have I been trolling when these are comments that Jones has made below, not me. The fact that you struggle even with what Jones himself says shows that you are butthurt.
    Yeah I must be a troll for showing the comments from the fighter the thread is about, on the subject of his weight loss :patsch.
    Get over it Viva :lol:
    This was before Roys fight with Calzaghe.


    Roy Jones Jr:
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    . I was coming down from over 200 pounds. Now I am down to where I am walking around at about 185 so I am good.

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    "I'm feeling magnificent now," Jones told ESPN.com. "It [the knockout defeats] was never a case of being too confident. It was the trauma of coming down from heavyweight to light heavyweight. My body got dehydrated after losing all that weight, that's all.
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    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3684713
     
  4. Daruf

    Daruf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was not 200, it was 193 at most... which is just a few pounds of dehydration weight.

    Add to that you still have not explained why he could win the first Tarver fight and then get KOd in the 2nd where he had plenty of time to get readjusted.

    Also he never wanted Tyson nor did he want any other threat at Heavyweight.
    He went for the perceived WEAKEST BY FAR champion, same route that Toney took.

    That does not mean it was not a great accomplishment but it was still a very calculated move.

    Either way ill buy that he got old, he was at that age but the weight is bull**** and it has been shown clearly to be bull****.
     
  5. VivaNazVegas

    VivaNazVegas Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wrong.
    The initial weigh-in was wrong and the guy that weighed Roy Jones even admitted to this in a documentary that was made leading up to the Ruiz fight.
    In the same documentary, Roy Jones weighed himself on a different scale directly after the weigh-in and it showed that he weighed 200 pounds.

    The documentary I'm talking about can probably still be found on Youtube, I can't remember the name of it though
     
  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Where are you going with this?

    Again, I give Tarver credit. Yes Roy looked in good shape, and he'd had time to adjust. But it didn't alter the fact that he'd had 50 fights, was 35, and his body had got many miles on the clock.

    Look what happened to Tarver after the Rocky movie, and he didn't turn pro while 29. He'd had about 23 fights, less than half of what Roy had fought.

    After Ruiz, Roy was never the same, both mentally and physically.

    Roy always looked in shape though. Look at his physique for any of his fights up to the Lebedev one.

    As Enzo Calzaghe said, his car looks great, but there's nothing under the hood.
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ha! What was he going to say?

    He was fighting regularly at 175, he was keeping his weight down in between fights, and he'd been given a confidence boost with his three comeback wins.

    I can show you a recent interview where he says he feels the best he's felt in years, and he's going to win a Cruiser belt. This is despite the fact that he looked awful last time out with no balance.
     
  8. VivaNazVegas

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    Bailey is aware of everything you're saying and he agrees with you.
    He's just pretending to feel otherwise in order to troll people like you that take the bait.
    Don't feed the troll.
    Thanks
     
  9. Loudon

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    Roy Jones Jr - The sweet science. It's still on YouTube.
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I keep showing you these things Loudon.
    Jones had got his weight back adjusted and admits as much.
    regardless of what he says now, that is CW this was LHW and Jones was back down in weight and ready to show his skills that took him to he top
     
  11. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    i know. :D I am just laughing at how pathetic he continues to be.
    Everything he posts about is related to Calzaghe and Bailey trying to convince everyone that Calzaghe was the greatest.

    I managed to shut him up once or twice or he just abandoned ship for other reasons.
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wake up Badbot. You couldnt counter me if you tried, though you would have no reason to try, as I just brought up some comments Jones himself made.
    Jones made Calzaghe look better by saying how is weight wasnt right before but was then. :hi:
     
  13. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    At the age of 40 ? :rofl stop it. Jones was a fighter who relied on his physyical skills the most.
     
  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It doesn't make any difference. He was nearly 40, and hadn't won at elite level for 5 years. I don't care what he said. He doesn't see things what we do, because he's looking from a different perspective. Every time he loses he gives any excuse he can thing of. He's still not ready to admit his times up.
     
  15. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Or maybe he was just selling himself or the fight by saying that ? He was making a mini comeback beating a bunch of nobodies and an old, blown up Trinidad.
    He was probably saying that to covince himself the most.
    Cintron made a similar statement.
    So he made a trip back down to 147 but looked just as bad as he did in his last fight.