I have never seen a case like Roy Jones Jr. Was it mental?

You are honestly comparing Dawson going from having to dehydrate to 175 to losing another 7lb where he simply got outclassed by a much better fighter (i do not even think it affected him that much)

To someone that went to not having to dehydrate at all to then having to dehydrate again to his normal fighting weight?

200 is bs, it was a well reported 193.

Even though even smaller fighters dehydrate much more lets say Roy only dehydrated about 10lb (bs it was more) were talking having to shift 8 extra pounds ..... you are saying that killed him going into the first Tarver fight... hell even if that was true even a 8lb drop in musclemass on a 190lb man would not affect him that much let alone having another camp till the 2nd fight.

Reality is he probably did not even have to shift 8lb of muscle, it just does not add up at all.
I will believe him aging over night before anyone convinces me it was cause of muscle loss especially when you have someone like Mackie on your payroll.

 

The appeal to trolling people is basically the same as the appeal in poking a caged cat with a stick.
You're watching someone squirm and get more and more pissed off, knowing that they can't do anything about it.
Furthermore, Bailey knows he'll never lose an argument because he's smart enough to turn things around on people, almost no matter what facts they bring up.
Even when people post irrefutable facts that he can't argue against for whatever reason, he just leaves the site for a week/month until people have forgotten how he was proven wrong and repeats the same lies to someone else (or sometimes even the same people) and gets to watch them get angry and pissed off all over again.
It's a great deal of fun to some people.
That's why it's important for us to ignore him.
If we ignore him, he's gonna get louder and more obnoxious.
Then one day, he'll break a rule in an attempt to get some attention and then he'll get banned.
After coming back with new alts a few times and encountering the same thing over and over again, he'll leave and start trolling somewhere else

 

Roy was strategically trained by Mackie Shilstone to pack on pounds so he would be more powerful at HW and not lose speed... He put on solid muscle, it was visible by the eye. It wasn't a case of a fighter just eating and swelling up to fight at a higher weight.

He stupidly chose to shed the weight really fast for Tarver, and lost muscle weight.... If you can't see that there was something clearly not the same about Roy in the first Tarver fight, well there isn't much a point of me continuing on.

As you said you believe it was age, It was certainly BOTH, I don't see why it has to be one or the other.

Also, it is also widely reported that the scale was off, and Roy was actually 200.

 

why would he stop taking them? you make no sense.

 

here's proof of jones being at 200 lbs vs ruiz. watch from the 3 min mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrHydFIwfBo

 

This, and I think he lost the first Tarver fight. He would have whipped Tarver going away 2 times before he made the jump to HW.

I always thought he would have retired after moving up and beating ruiz and maybe one or two other fights at hw. I knew it was a huge mistake dropping down at the time but I NEVER EVER thought it would sink so low so fast. I hated the guy but before he went up in weight he was superman but came back down and down to earth turning into clark kent

 

I don't get it either. I wouldn't want everybody to think I was an idiot, when I'm not. He's obviously an intelligent lad that gets a huge buzz out of winding people up.

Lance, what the ****'s happening on that other thread? - Roy's resume vs Floyd's?

Ha! You've been DESTROYING that kid page after page! It's brutal! Ha!

 

I have not seen this fight since that night but as I remember Jones was just laying there rolling with the punches. He didn't seem to even be trying much, just letting Johnson tee off on him ( till he got caught ). If anyone remembers it different plz do tell.

 

Clinton Woods, the British, Commonwealth,European, 2 time IBF 175 champ who went 1-1-1 with a prime Glen Johnson and who beat Julio Gonzalez twice.

Yeah...what a chump.

 

I agree with everything except about losing the first Tarver fight.:good

I had no idea I was watching Roy as Superman for the last time in the Ruiz fight.:|

 

Haven't you seen John Scully's posts on here? (Iceman John Scully who trained Chad for the Ward fight)

He was weight drained. He ran up mountains, and worked out in the gym everyday, sparring etc for 5 weeks and didn't LOSE ANY weight!

WTF are you talking about, 8 pounds?

He was a big 200 pounds when he went into camp, with no body fat. He went from 200 down to 175 for the weigh in. That's a loss of 25 pounds. His average rehydration weight at 175, was around 186. He lost a fair bit of muscle, which he'd NEVER experienced before. He was used to cutting weight as all fighters obviously are, but he'd never burnt muscle away before.

He did nothing much apart from run, before he even went into his 7 week camp for Tarver. It was a huge strain on his body.

Also, how the hell do you know that 8 pounds of muscle loss wouldn't have affected him, even if it had've been 8 pounds? A pound is a lot to a fighter. They're finely tuned athletes. A fighter at 35, burning muscle away when he's never experienced it before, is not a good idea. Chad was only around 29. Roy was nearly 35, and had fought 50 times.

Also, Mackie wasn't on the payroll when he lost the weight.

 

Roy was like a zombie. He was dominated for all 9 of the rounds. The ringside doctor told Coach Merk that he was so dehydrated, he should never have been fighting. Apparently, that's why he was unconscious for as long as he was.

 

If my memory serves me correct, Calzaghe didn't fancy a fight with Woods for whatever reason.... It certainly wasn't because Woods was not accomplished enough when you look at Joe's track record.

Woods was a tough, gritty, hard to hurt and would fight to the very end kind of fighter. Joe didn't like fights like that, unless the money was right.. But had they fought, Joe would probably win by decision, and people like Bailey and Forza would be hyping the victory like it was the next coming of Duran-Leonard.

 

http://www.thesweetscience.com/most-popular/4305-joe-calzaghe-rags-clinton-woods


"Clinton Woods knows he can't beat me," Calzaghe said, according to the Mirror. "If he thinks he can beat me, then he should fight me and prove it. If he doesn't fight me it will be because he knows he would
get beat.


"He'll get a big payday and I'll get a big payday, so let's get it on,? repeated Calzaghe. He's not getting any younger and who else is he going to fight?

 

Wow, so Joe talked **** about Woods... Big deal.

He also chased Roy for 6 years.