Who have the GREATEST RESUME of the last 25 years?

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  1. EuroBot

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    Pacquiao winning this ****. :patsch
     
  2. Ducktali

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    Are you there Loudon? Are you there?

    When you come back (if you do, I hope you do) please answer how come your favorite fighter Roy never fought my favorite fighter Lennox?

    He said he was super man and Lennox said he will take the S off Roy's Chest.

    But Roy never send the contracts. My uncle was there and he said no contracts were send.
     
  3. Withwhatsmine

    Withwhatsmine Boxing Addict banned

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    People see the record and whose on it they don't check the weight or if the guy was about to retire.
     
  4. Ducktali

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    Both Pac and Floyd are over hyped fighters, but they are without doubt ATG'S(just not as high as their fans think) and both have pretty good resumes.







    Manny Pacquiao


    1996: Rustico Torrecampo- L KO 3 (11-4-4, age 25) . Prime,Decent fighter.

    1999: Medgoen Singsurat- L TKO 3 (18-0, age 21) Unbeaten. Early career,
    Decent fighter

    2001: Lehlohonolo Ledwaba- KO 6 (33-1-1, age 29) Hadn't lost in 8 years. Latter prime.

    2001: Agapito Sanchez- DRAW (31-9-2, age 31) Hadn't lost in 3 years. Latter prime

    2003: Marco Antonio Barrera- TKO 11 (57-3, age 29) Hadn't lost in 3 years, coming of win over Erik Morales. Very good win. Maybe great.


    2004: Juan Manuel Marquez- DRAW (42-2, age 30) Hadn't lost in 5 years. Very good fighter/ possibly great fighter.

    2005: Erik Morales- L UD (47-2, age 28) Latter prime, very good/possibly great fighter.

    2006: Erik Morales- TKO 10 (48-3, age 29) Latter prime. Very Good Fighter

    2006: Erik Morales- KO 3 (48-4, age 30) Immediate rematch. Past prime-still considered a good fighter..


    2007: Jorge Solis- KO 8 (33-0-2, age 27) Unbeaten. Prime. Decent fighter.

    2008: Juan Manuel Marquez- SD (48-3-1, age 35) Hadn't lost in 2 years. Coming off win over Barrera and loss to Chris John. Very good fighter.

    2008: David Diaz- TKO 9 (34-1-1, age 32) Hadn't lost in 3 years, coming off win over Morales. Unbeaten at 135. Good fighter

    2008: Oscar De La Hoya - TKO 8 (39-5, age 35) Bad fighter at the time.. but was suppose to have size advantage.. actually an 'upset' win by Pac.



    2009: Ricky Hatton- KO 2 (45-1, age 30) Coming off loss to Mayweather, and wins over Malignaggi and Lazcano. Unbeaten at 140. Good fighter.. Possibly very good.

    2009: Miguel Cotto- TKO 12 (34-1, age 29) Good/Very Good fighter


    2010: Joshua Clottey- UD (35-3, age 33) Good fighter.

    2010: Antonio Margarito- UD (38-6, age 32) Still considered a good fighter at the time.

    2011: Shane Mosley- UD (46-1-1, age 39) Average fighter at the time.









    So in conclusion.. Even though Pacquaio did not catch a lot of these fighters at their very peak... when he did fight them they were still mostly good/very good fighters.

    Also very very few ATG'S catch other ATG'S at their peaks.. This goes from the lower weights all the way to heavyweight.

    You just have to judge and analyze how good the fighters were at the time they fought them.




    Floyd Mayweather Jr


    1998: Angel Manfredy- TKO 2 (25-2-1, age 24) Prime. Good fighter

    2001: Diego Corrales- TKO 10 (33-0, age 23) Very good fighter

    2001: Carlos Hernandez- UD (33-2-1, age 30) Good fighter

    2001: Jesus Chavez- TKO 9 (35-1, age 28) Hadn't lost in over 6 years. Latter Prime.

    2002: Jose Luis Castillo- UD (45-4-1, age 28) Hadn't lost in 4 years, and coming off wins over Stevie Johnston and Cesar Bazan. Latter Prime.

    2002: Jose Luis Castillo- UD (46-5-1, age 28) Immediate rematch. Latter prime.


    2003: Phillip N'dou- TKO 7 (31-1, age 26) Hadn't lost in over 5 years. Prime.


    2005: Arturo Gatti- TKO 6 (39-6, age 33) Past prime. Destroyed by Oscar. Still a decent win.


    2006: Zab Judah- UD (34-3, age 28) Latter prime. Good fighter.


    2006: Carlos Baldomir- UD (43-9-6, age 35) Coming off win over Judah and hadn't lost in 8 years. Past prime. NOT a good fighter. Average win.




    2007: Oscar De La Hoya- SD (38-4, age 34) Coming off loss to Hopkins and than retired for 2 years. Than beat Mayorga in his first fight back. Mayweather went up to 154 lbs. Past Prime, still considered a good fighter at the time, but way past his best.


    2007: Ricky Hatton- TKO 10 (43-0, age 29) Unbeaten. Went up to 147 lbs for Mayweather's title. Had fought there before. Coming off wins over Tszyu, Castillo, Collazo, and Urango. Very good win. Very good fighter. Prime.



    2009: Juan Manuel Marquez- UD (50-4-1, age 36) Went up to 144 lbs. Very good/possibly great fighter

    2010: Shane Mosley- UD (46-5, age 38) Hadn't lost in 3 years, comingg off win over Margarito. Good fighter, past prime.



    2011: Victor Ortiz- ??? (29-2-2, age 24) This win is up for debate.



    Floyd's got a great resume as well. The only knock will be Floyd's best wins are against fighters of a lower caliber than Pacquaio's best wins.
    You can point to JMM as controversial.. but we can do the same with Castillo.

    Of course Floyd beat a far better version of Oscar than Pacquaio did.. Pacquaio dominated Cotto much easier than Floyd did.. etc

    It's too bad they never fought.. they actually do need each other.




    For what it's worth. Pacquaio beat four ATG Fighters.(If you consider Oscar an ATG, most do)
    Obviously the fourth one was a corpse on fight night.

    Floyd beat 3 ATG Fighters. Marquez and Shane+Oscar-Both were past prime...
    The Oscar and Shane that Floyd beat were NOT as good as the Barrera or Morales that Pac beat. I don't think that's up for debate.

    Of course Floyd dominated Marquez who KTFO out of Pac..
     
  5. chesh

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    Excellent post, Ducktali. I strongly feel that Mayweather's win over Marquez was little more than an exhibition bout between two fighters of a completely different size and should not be included as a fight which enhances Floyd's legacy in any way.
     
  6. El Lucho

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    if we talk which record looks better, by the top guys you faced and how many losses you got, than it is without any doubt pacquiao, holyfield has far to many losses.

    if we talk resume and the better opponents both faced, than it is a tough one.
     
  7. Dunks

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    Oscar lost all of his biggest fights and had some questionable wins via decision.

    He didnt dominate his resume, he struggled in his biggest fights.
     
  8. Ducktali

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    I think
    Oscar have a good resume too.

    He didn't really lose all his biggest fights.
    He beat Pernell, he beat Vargas, he beat Ike..

    If you count his questionable wins than to be fair you also must count his questionable losses ( Mosley-Trinidad) :thumbsup


    Oscar took on everyone .. but he became a money hungry grabbing fake persona pantie sniffing hobacha later on in his career though.


    Also the Vargas that Oscar and Tito fought would have put Canelo in a casket.



    I will say in terms of ability/boxing skills

    Floyd
    Oscar
    Pac

    In terms of resume (current)
    Pac
    Oscar
    Floyd

    That being said.. I know Floyd's not done yet.. and I'm pretty sure Pac got 1-2 more good wins in him..

    So depending on what they can still do.. who knows how much higher on ATG List they both go.
     
  9. Ducktali

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    Holyfield is one hella fighter.

    He actually had multiple primes. I honestly felt that the Holyfield of the mid to late 90's will school the Holyfield of the early 90's.

    Holyfield was bigger,stronger, more experienced, and just a great great fighter during the mid-late 90's.

    I think he could have gotten another 3-4 big wins if he never fought Lewis.

    The first Lewis fight really did take Holyfield's prime.

    Evander was the real deal but he was 2nd hand product that night. He took a hella beating, one of the worst I ever seen. Lewis won 11 of 12 rounds but was robbed into a draw. It was brutal how much punishment Evander took from Lennox that night.

    Lewis stole his 2nd prime that night, and it's a damn shame too because Evander could have won another 3-4 big fights if he had avoided Lewis. but he was a ****ing warrior and he sure as hell weren't gonna duck Lennox like Bowe and Tyson did. No sir.. not Evander.
     
  10. HoldMyBeer

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    :good
     
  11. El Lucho

    El Lucho Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :patsch:patsch:patsch
    holyfield was a heavyweight, it is obvious that he was bigger and stronger tan a guy who started at minimumweight and than got up to 154 :lol:

    put it this way. a 6'2, 220 pounds pacquiao beats the **** of any heavyweight in history. talk p4p, pacquiao faster, more athletic than any heavyweight ever. imagine this...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKPDeMXiJHc

    with the size and weight mentioned above. OVER.
     
  12. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    If results and performances don't factor in, but only the names they fought when they fought them: Oscar, Holyfield, Pacquiao.

    If we consider results and performances, as I do, than it's: Whitaker, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Jones.
     
  13. Ducktali

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    You mis understood my post.

    It's ok, I didn't make myself clear.

    I know.. Holyfield is bigger than Pacquaio. I'm not a moron. I know all of Lennox's opponents inside out.

    What I mean is the Holyfield who schooled Elite Tyson and lost to Lewis was BIGGER, STRONGER, BETTER, TOUGHER, AND MORE EXPERIENCED THAN THE EARLY 90'S VERSION OF HIMSELF.
     
  14. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    agreed
    i dont rate oscar as high as others seem too because of this
     
  15. El Lucho

    El Lucho Well-Known Member Full Member

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    okay