Where does Pavlik rate amongst top 20 ATG Middleweights?

ok, some boxers im familiar with throughout the years and some i know from the past who had dominated the weight class....

Jake LaMotta, Ray Robinson, Michael Nunn and Iran Barkley, Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Monzon, Gene Fulmer

Those are ones i know should be rated above the Great White Hype... but just because i dont know more than that DOES NOT negate the fact other boxers who existed before Pavlik and much better than him....

The sad thing is, i think that is YOUR PROBLEM lol.... you don't realize their is a pre-existence before your pitiful existence and conception

 

Wrong again **** breath...

I'm one of the great boxing historians on this site.

 

hahahah, im gonna say that BoxRec is better than me, and you. Historically and overall rating.... considering we're opinion-based and its not.

And why all of a sudden trying to change the topic and sucker-bait me into other bull****? Not gonna happen. You having a problem hanging with me concerning your self-created topic?

 

off the top of my head? Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon, Vito Antuofermo,Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard,James Toney, Roy Jones Jr., Bernard Hopkins, Michael Nunn, Iran Barkley, Sumbu Kalambay, Mike McCallum, Nigel Benn, Sergio Martinez, Jermain Taylor, Winky Wright, Frank Tate, Bennie Briscoe, Dick Tiger. I just thought those, I am sure there are another 25-50 which can be thought of also. Kelly just does not belong in top 20. And those guys I mention many are not top 20. You can say Kelly beat Jermaine, but he didn't beat Bernard like Jermaine did, so I rate Jermaine higher. And these are just the last 30-40 years.

 

and again... this is why you changed the topic instead of discussing those boxers i mentioned?

You take me as a fool...
thats very foolish

 

I know it's troll treat but I humbly disagree about Taylor being above the guy that beat him twice.

 

I rate it on the Hopkins fight, but ok Gene Fullmer takes Jermaine's place. Even Herol Graham. Not that Herol is top 20, just higher than Kelly.

 

OK I'll name another 19 boxer is the all time list less Pavlik,, then it's your turn, capishe?

1. Greb
2. Ray Robinson
3. Hagler
4. Monzon
5. Hopkins
6. Fitzsimmons
7. Ketchell
8. LaMotta
9. Steele
10. Cerden
11. Tiger
12. Olson
13. Walker
14. Fulmer
15. Aposotoli
16. Turpin
17. Gibbons
18. Dundee
19. Giaridalio
20. Williams

 

well, it would be fair to have those who crossed thru the Middleweights also, though not retiring in that weight class...

in no particular order -
Ray Robinson
Fulmer
Monson
Ray Leonard
Hagler
Hearns
Lamotta
Hopkins
Nunn
Barkley
RJJ
Toney
Sergio Martinez
Eubank
Tiger
Wright
Briscoe
Trinidad
Glen Johnson
Frank Tate

 

And you say i'm a troll and don't know **** about boxing for saying Pavlik is top 20 middleweight- Johnson had one significant fight at Middleweight and was destroyed by Hopkins. Perhaps you think Pavlik is a top 20 light heavyweight then?

 

Not in the top 20.

 

Name 20 better troolly

 

There's been dozens of Middleweights who weren't even world champions who were better than Pavlik

 

Pavlik in the top 20 ATG middleweights? Really? I like Pavlik, but I really don't think he is in the top 20. Maybe Top 40 or so. Don't forget that there were tons of middleweight champs in the last 100 years.