Trinidad de la Hoya: Harold Lederman's scorecard...

Those who call Oscar for running, it was a boxing clinic the first 8. He outlander Tito in pretty much every round and outthrew him in the majority as well.

The problem wasn't Oscar and his footwork, it was actually Tito and his footwork. Tito couldn't hit on the mover, he needed to plant his feet which gave Oscar time to land big combinations and circle away.

In the 9th Oscar felt something in Tito that he didn't like and he was in survival mode then but I had him winning 7 of the first 8. In a big fight like that it was a stupid strategy but one which should have clinched victory for him.

 

For the life of me, I just cant see calling someone capable of circling and avoiding boxing related exchanges a boxing clinic.


Example.....Juan Manuel Marquez laterals to the sides and keeps eye focus on Manny Pacquiao. When Pacquiao makes a move with his feet and hands toward him, Marquez' eye's widen. He sees the punch coming and positions himself for the counter.
Marquez in the instance is looking to release his hands on the counter.


DLH against Tito circles, circles, circles.......Tito moves his feet comes at DLH while he moves his hands to attempt to punch....DLH upon seeing this, circles, circles, runs...........


Thats the difference between a boxer and a runner with a gameplan to limit boxing activity.


Limiting boxing activity is'nt what one should call a boxing clinic.

 

Good point. people can say dlh didn't do a lot in some parts but trinidad did even less. trinidad was lost that night badly

 

Limiting boxing activity? Some rounds Oscar was throwing 70 a round. I bet his punch output was above average for a welterweight.

You need to rewatch the fight I think. He fought a great fight them first 8 rounds. If Tito was able to punch whilst moving like Oscar did the fight would have been better aesthetically.

 

It's pretty ****ing hard to score that fight a draw, I've tried, if you give Tito a couple of early rounds that he probably didn't deserve, it's just about possible. Can't see how anyone can score it for Trinidad though if I'm being honest.

 

Thats just the thing, "some rounds!"

You cant give DLH the next round for fighting the previous.

Example, when DLH busted Titos nose up in that round, he did'nt look to take advantage of what he caused, instead he was content to let the round go by and live off of what he caused.

Its like, "Ooohhh, I just busted him up, let me run around here as I've allready banked this one on just this one combination."


DLH landed the best punches as a whole in the fight.
You dont score the fight looking at it as a whole however.

Every round has to be judged seperate.
Most of the rounds neither fighter lands much of significance. This is where the fighter who is doing the chasing benefits.
When a round is so uneventful, more than 90% of the time, the fighter going foward will get the round.
DLH is not stupid, he should have known that, and he did know that but thought that because he was the Golden boy the judges would overlook it for him like they did with Ray Leonard vs Marvin Hagler.
Its a good thing for boxing they did'nt.

 

He didn't lose the first nine rounds. What are you high? He didn't even lose the first three.

 

If you can find 4 rounds to give Tito you are more than high and most likely brain damaged.

 

Or I watched the fight.

 

You can't score for ****.

 

I score very well.

 

2, 3, 6, 7, 8 Hoya clearly landed the better shots because Tito barely threw a punch. Rounds 1&5 were closer but again Tito barely threw a punch.

Tito was so inactive it makes me wonder how any one scored the fight for him.

 

Its been so long since I watched the fight, I cant be bothered to discuss it round per round.

Guaging pitter pats I just disregard alltogether. Most of those shots are thrown so far from being able to land effectively. That type of activity is meaningless.

DLH for great chunks of the fight was outright running. You dont punch at a running target, all you can do is chase.

Bernard Hopkins once fought an French who came out full throttle running around the ring.
Hopkins could'nt throw punches at him, all he could do is calmly step toward him and chase.
In this particular fight the referee twice stopped the fight and threatened to disqualify the offending running fighter.

Something of the sort should have been said to DLH.

 

So much hate I scored it wide for DLH vs Whitaker.

The reason being the same reason why I scored it for Trinidad vs DLH.
Whitaker's stalling tactics were on prime display.

Again here, just like DLH vs Trinidad, Whitaker was'nt looking to be offensively effective vs DLH. He was looking to stall and avoid boxing related exchanges. Live off of a good punch here and there and take it to stalling.

When it comes to scoring, I'm consistent, so toss the the hate and Rican bullcrap!

 

I can tell you haven't watched it for a while from the way you're describing it. On many ocassions Oscar snapped Tito back with the straight right hand.

He had Tito stepping back with his 4-5 punch combinations.

Tito was so ineffective at cutting the ring off and punching on the move, he just did so little. I've heard of slow starts but Jesus Christ he did next to nothing aside from round 4.

he looked so one dimensional.