The Truth About Weight Classes?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by sp550i, Apr 9, 2013.


  1. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Am I the only person that feels like weight classes in modern day boxing is a little bit deceiving? and what I mean by that is.... I'm pretty sure 80% of fighters are fighting at the wrong weight and cheat the system by fighting a weight lower than what would be natural for them.

    who do you think fits this description?




    Brandon Rios - Robert Guerro - Danny Garcia are a few guys that jump to my mind that have been at 140 and are probably really 147 pound fighters

    They were hiding pacquiao below 140 for a while but I think he is naturally a 140 guy.

    Zab judah was running around at 147 because thats were the money is but I thnk he was a 140 guy most of his life also.


    I think floyd & cotto fit pretty naturally at 147
     
  2. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I couldn't disagree more. I don't even feel what you're saying makes any sense at all.

    Everybody has to make weight all the same.

    No advantages over anyone else there.

    Caballero and Paul Williams made their weight just like there opponents.
     
  3. TowersOfIce

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    With the exception of heavyweights, weight divisions are really for those incapable of taking on fighters at a higher weights. The divisions should be renamed:

    Heavyweight: Premier division
    Cruiserweight: Division 1
    Light Heavyweight: Division 2
    Super Middleweight: Division 3
    Middleweight: Division 4
    and so on...
     
  4. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    :lol: Stupidest thing I've ever heard.
     
  5. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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  6. xRedx

    xRedx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No need to rename but your right that the divisions are for those lighter fighters to give them an arena to compete fairly.
     
  7. boxsensei

    boxsensei Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't like modern weight classes. The whole point of divisions should be to have guys who weigh close to each other fight night. Now its all about mastering the science of draining, so you can fight a guy who weighs 15 20 lbs less than you.
     
  8. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    so who has to cut more weight to make 147?

    paul williams
    or zab judah?

    then seeing that guy rehydrate 20-30 pounds over night....


    edit:

    thats my point. There are benefits for knowing how to cut weight. I use the robert guerro example.... I'm pretty sure that he is a 147 pounder. but he only had 1 fight there so far. His 30 day weigh in weight was like 160 pounds
     
  9. NWS

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    Heavyweight Elitist.

    He couldn't ever appreciate the ability of a Ray Robinson, Pernell Whitaker or... Vasyl Lomachenko. Saying Liquid Swords had filler wasn't the greatest thing I've ever read either though. :D
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Blame the weigh in being scheduled 24 hours + from the fight, not the fighters for following the rules.
     
  11. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    thats the point i'm trying to make here.....
     
  12. NWS

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    Most fighters do it now. Floyd Mayweather is one of the few big, bright old school exceptions.
     
  13. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you look at the in-ring weights from lightweight to light heavy, they're usually 15-20lb more than they were at the weigh-in. Combine that with 17 weight classes ad you have the reason guys can go on "unprecedented" runs where they win titles in 8 wight classes.

    My opinion is that same-day weigh ins would be safer for the fighters and allow for much more action-packed fights, since guys wouldn't go from half-dead one day to participating in the most demanding sport in the world the next. Plus, fighters could work on skill up to the fight rather than weight-making. It makes sense from a fighter/fan standpoint, but the sanctioning bodies need money and day-before weigh ins allow them to make more cash.

    Another benefit is that guys wouldn't have weight-draining excuses anymore. You want to fight a bigger guy, you move up to his weight or you fight him with a weight difference, like Henry Armstrong, Fitzsimmons, and other great fighters. It would give us a much more realistic sense of pound-for-pound status.

    That said, the current system is fair since it's up to the fighter to decide how much weight they can handle draining without significant effects on their performance. it's just a dumb system is all.
     
  14. sp550i

    sp550i Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i'm not blaming anyone.... my question is

    list what you think are some fighters natural weight classes. example

    I think cotto may be a natural 154 pder... but a lot of 154 guys should be at 160. so for more important part of his career he was at 147 getting money and cutting weight
     
  15. Derrick_Rose

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    this :good