But but it isn't the amateurs...

+1, Cosine. :dealhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_cosines

 

Yeah it does my nut when people on here go on about amateur as though it's "fencing".

 

And all his Cuban contemprarys with exceptional amateur records who havent made it?

What about them?

 

There's always exceptions. That makes Rigo one of the few log term amatuer standouts in the last 10 years with significant accomplishment. So far its him and Ward. Not a great success rate

 

Exactly, Audley Harrison has proved this...Good Amateur, but a pretty shitty pro.

To be fair, I do understand the OP's points though.:good

 

I'm not sure I can agree with this. I have been training and assisting with training for years, and have run into both schools of thought. Honestly, there is no one "right way" to do things, as far as boxing goes. Being flatfooted does indeed help you generate more power, but being on your toes allows you to move around faster and more efficiently (energy/stamina)/not telegraph you movements. Granted, staying on your toes all the time is incorrect, although staying flat-footed all the time is arguably just as, if not, more clumsy, as you are primed to punch, but also capable of being hit more often and harder.

I always train people to shift between both. You sit down on your punches, but you stay on your toes during engagement. As you approach a higher level of boxing mastery, you will be able to be in ideal striking distance/striking angles at all the right times, and will therefore spend more time primed to punch. Until then, you have to shift between, strategically lifting your COG to move around quickly and efficiently, and sitting on your punches when you can.

I find that a lot of places I have been to, and trainers I have spoken with here in the US, tend to understand this. Why it doesn't manifest itself at the US Amateur Boxing level is beyond me.

I really would love for you to go over this some more, I rarely get to talk theory in this joint...

-JORGE!

 

True,you still think vasyl is better then Rigo though?You saw yesterday why Rigo is considered the greatest amateur ever.

 

Such as?

 

Amateur Boxing is more like fencing now than fighting. The fact that Audley Harrison can win a Gold Medal make me ignore the Amateurs.

 

That's how I see it too. Good post and with boxing there is more than one way to do things, but I prefer to switch from flat footed to being on my toes, but not wasting too much movement

 

Rigo is special, no doubt about it. But lets look at some others:

Yordanis Despaigne (amateur wins over Dirrel, lost to Golvkin 37-40 in 2005 World Cup)

Pro -- Just lost to Cornelius White

Yan Berthelemy -- Olympic gold medalist

Pro -- KO'd by Jorge Diaz in 2009.

Yudel Johson -- Olympic silver medalist.

Pro -- just lost to Willie Nelson (the boxer)


Yordenis Ugas -- Olympic bronze medalist

Pro -- lost to the redoubtable Juan Garcia

some other recent medalists:

David Price -- Olympic bronze medalist.

KTFO by 40 year old Tony the Tiger Thompson.

Amir Kahn (silver medalist) -- KTFO by Danny Garcia, Breidis Prescott

James Degale (gold medalist) -- lost to George Groves, struggling against scrubs.

 

How any of them had over 300 fights and were multi-year world or Olympic champs?

None.

 

Two words: Audley Harrison.