Very good or great? Volume 10: Jersey Joe Walcott

Actually it's not, but the main point is, which you agreed... it's rare none the less

 

Nope it's not again. I do enjoy you trying though big buddy.

 

and again nope it's not

 

Question McGrain... do you give any credit to Walcott for his fight with Louis? I'm curious what credit you give hiim. Clearly, you're not willing to overturn the results in your mind.. but how much credit do you give him. Do you view him simply losing the fight and nothing more.. do you view it as walcott doing enough to consider it a draw or a stalemate of sorts. I'm just curious what if any credit you give towards walcott for that fight. In other words.. does it make his resume or career anymore impressive after the Louis fight? Or since the result is a loss it doesn't nothign for him and it's black and white for you?

 

Good, that's all I needed to hear.. Walcott would've won under a better socring system... If you said that before.. I must've missed it. However, you cleared up the matter once and for all.

 

Which questions did I not respond to? If you're referencing your question about losses.. You can say I'm ducking all you want but I addressed the question at least TWO times. Just because you didn't like my answer doesn't mean I'm ducking them. Those aren't mutually inclusive and you should know that. I haven't been satisfied with some of your answers as well.. doesn't mean you're ducking them. If that is the only question I haven't referenced surely you can do better than that. I admit they aren't the best losses and most great fighters don't have such losses but some clearly do.. I even named some. Then I talked about how you can't just view those losses without proper context of maybe WHY he lost. He was a LATE starter and boxed part time at the start of his career. Most anybody would have patchy results if you didn't even pick up boxing till late and didn't dedicate yourself full time to it. Let alone have proper training or backing. He was learning on the job so to speak during his early years.. why does this context allude you. Don't say I didn't address it.. I did.. Now if you have any more questions I have "ducked" let me know and I'll answer them. if not, would you be so kind to answer my question, despite what you think, I do appreciate your answers and do value your opinion on here more than most.

 

Ummm yeah it does.. I rate Charles ahead of EVERYBODY he named on any fighter he listed sans good ol' Sam. So actually yes it does. You fail to mention that Jersey joe gave the BEST performance and gave marciano THE BEST fight of his career. That isn't something to sweep under the rug. We're talking about a past his physical prime Walcott still giving an undefeated fighter the best fight on his career. You act like that is nothing.. it does mean something. The Louis loss... yeah we've been over this before.. plenty people now and then felt Walcott won.. if nothing else it could and should be viewed as a draw. To just say he lost a close fight is an injustice to the man and the performance. Which again, was up till that point THE BEST fight in Louis career. No small task for the second best HW of all time to give him his best fight at or near his prime. You act like this means nothing.. many people would say it's mean A LOT.

 

I've learnt three things in this thread

1) mcgrain's **** stinks.

2) under 10 point must jersey v Walcott would have been a draw.

3) there is debate as to whether or not jersey is great.

 

Charles fought Marciano and went the distance. That is a startling achievement. Outboxing him and getting sparked? Doesn't impress me as much, though, I must stress, a fair few of us have said we think Walcott is great!!!

Just not that great. Still, I hardly think he's being dissed or underappreciated.

 

Actually it wouldn't have been a draw.. that is just silly talk and McGrain already admitted Walcott would've won. Obviously there is a debate on whether he is great or not. When this many people say very good.. there is clearly a debate. Though obviously I disagree with there being one.