"Tyson Fury" and his chances of Heavyweight Glory

History backs my argument? errr, I never said that and I have no idea what you're talking about.

 

Strange that isn't it, that's what happens when you are told you have no right to exist as a nation.

 

And how did Sinn Fein gain such a massive mandate allowing them to start the war of independence?

No link at all there the easter rising eh?

You said the historians write history and that they call the Easter rising terrorism. Where? It seems to be you alone who claims that and you ain't no historian.

 

Got any evidence for that?

Right throughout the 19th century to the early 20th century the principal medium of home government was via the democratic Irish Party, which enjoyed the support of everyone from the clergy in the middle class to enfranchised workers. The IRB or the 'Fenians' were always a minor rambunctious motley crew of individuals who were reviled by most establishment Irishman. To get an inkling of the sort of people that comprised it just look at the Young Irelanders - these were a minority of individuals.

It was only after 1916, and especially after the conscription crisis, that the majority of people were turned to republicanism and abandoned the ideals of Home Rule.

 

Sorry, there was no 'mandate' to start the war - the rebellion started incrementally because of British blunders that completely alienated most Irishmen.

And no, there was no link at all - the principal connection, and the most important one, was that it shifted Sinn Fein from a Home Rule party to a Republican party. That was the most important shift.

 

You cant knock him for heart or for entertainment value but against a bigger man on the same sort of level as Cunningham he would have been stopped last night. His sheer size saved him,that said he did do well to smother Cunningham after a heavy knockdown. you never know,there have been a few very good fighters who were regular visitors to the canvass on route to a win Trinidad and Naz are 2 that spring to mind.

My view is that if he keeps the set up he has he will come unstuck soon. He needs to be more disciplined defensively for a start,he almost got starched last night because of lack of defense when he had every advantage you could want. He will sell tickets and get tv viewers interested so there is a fair chance a title fight could come his way very soon but he wont see the 3rd against either brother if it his next fight. He should stay in the states and tighten things up with a new trainer and a whole new set of people around him,it aint going to happen so sadly I think he has no chance at all of winning a world title.
Just my opinion.

 

Are you ****ing serious?? Do you think the Irish wanted the Brits here??

 

u stated actual history...therefore claiming i assume what u r basing or opinion on what is historic facts

but wat u claim 2 b actual history is determined by the historian u retrieve ur history from...and that particular historian could have his own political agenda.. therefore a british historian opinion on the 1916 uprising mite b different from an irish historian opinion:good

 

And these 'British Blunders' where in no way connected to the easter rising?

Bull****.

Those 'British Blunders' had been ongoing ever since the English came here. It was just one uprising in a long line of uprisings.

You can sing alone that it was an act of terror anyway, since not a soul agrees with you.

 

That's a confused statement - what specifically are you talking about? Government? The Union? And what category of individuals are you referring to? The clergy? The middle class? Tenant farmers?

It's a jumbled statement.

Tenant farmers quite frankly didn't give a **** who was in government or who was governing because they were peasants - their principal concern was with land lordism and tenant reform, which culminated in the Land Wars - but Gladstone managed to rectify and mollify that anger quite effectively.

The clergy and the bulk of the middle class were Home Rulers; only a minority of the educated and especially idealistic young men were Republicans.

 

Mate, I don't know what you're talking about and you're just jabbering.

 

ok i get it...ur deluded idiot:good

 

It wasn't a 'Sinn Fein rebellion' - it was an Irish rebellion. The reason why it was associated with Sinn Fein was because the principal agents within, and the principal agents in establishing the Dail, were Sinn Fein party members. Sinn Fein was the political party gearing itself towards separatism; other institutions were extrapolitical - like the IRB or even the GAA.

Hilarious that you think the whole of Irish history is one oppressive slog to 1922 :roll: it's called teleology, and it's an enormous fallacy that blights Irish history and has been commented upon continuously.

 

There was always a class of gombeen men who welcomed the British, the vast, vast amount of Irish people didn't and unfortunately, for them, that's why so many British soldiers and their colonial police died over here.

 

Right. Except throughout this discussion it's been me single handedly repudiating you, and about three others, with their bogus history; and it's been me and only me that's actually demonstrated a robust grasp on the history of the era :roll: