Antonio Margarito's gloves were NEVER loaded, irrefutable facts.

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  1. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    Racist ****s in here will never show Margo love
     
  2. cyrax99

    cyrax99 The Greatest Full Member

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    Good news is that they've taken a 16 page ass whoopin today, and have pretty much admitted defeat now, they aren't even trying anymore :yep
     
  3. HIGHCOLLIDE

    HIGHCOLLIDE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    THE WHOLE ESB IS LAUGHING AT YOUR 2 ACCOUNTS GETTING OWNED.:rofl

    AND AS FAR AS MY RAP CAREER,WELL IT GOT ME LIVING LIFE BETTER THEN YOUR BUM COWARDLY ASS,SO I CANT COMPLAIN.
     
  4. HIGHCOLLIDE

    HIGHCOLLIDE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    THE PEOPLE KNOW THE TRUTH.:good

    WHAT MAKES IT BETTER IS THAT THE MARGACHEATO FAN BOYS HAVE GOT OWNED ALL DAY!

    I FEEL SORY FOR THEM,THEY MIGHT COMMIT SUICIDE AND I WILL FEEL A LIL RESPONSIBLE.
    IAM PRAYING THEY DONT GO THRU WITH IT.
    JUST BECAUSE I OWNED THEM,I DONT WANT THEM TO HURT THEMSELVES.
     
  5. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    Well dont most undisciplined fighters do this?

    Margarito had already had 8 fights at ww during that time since he fought @154. So was he never 180 in any of the fights prior to the mosley fight?

    Also, If Margarito was innocent then why did he look docile walking into the ring? He looked like he just got exposed in front of the world then went in the ring and got obliterated by Mosley.
     
  6. Dunks

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    .....So there was something in the wraps, the trainer put it in without Margaritos knowledge and Margarito admitted there was something in the wraps that he had zero knowledge of.

    A few minutes before Margarito (37-6, 27 KOs) entered the ring in Los Angeles on Jan. 24, officials discovered the plaster-like substance when Mosley's trainer, Naazim Richardson, ordered Margarito's hands to be unwrapped. A hardened substance like plaster can give a fighter heavier hands, putting extra power on his punches.

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    Arum said Capetillo "deserved what he got," but strenuously objected to Margarito's punishment. Margarito and Capetillo must apply with the California commission for reinstatement before their licenses can be reinstated.
    ...so Arum is mad that the trainer loaded the gloves and he got what he deserved but the fighter who had the loaded gloves didnt deserve to be punished because he didnt know his gloves were loaded?:huh
    :patsch​
     
  7. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    Naazim Richardson, Mosley's trainer, caught Margarito's trainer, Javier Capetillo, using a hardened piece of gauze while wrapping the fighter's hands. Richardson thought the wraps were too hard. When they were removed, a piece of gauze with the texture of plaster of Paris fell off. Margarito was forced to re-wrap both hands.

    Keith Kizer, the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, is interested in what California finds and what it does to Margarito and Capetillo, who also is under suspension and will appear at the Feb. 10 hearing.

    "This is something very serious," Kizer said. "But let's not rush to judgment. Let's let California do its job."

    Kizer said he was confident his inspectors would not have allowed the article in question to get into Margarito's wraps.

    "In Nevada, we have very experienced inspectors, and we usually have the other fighter's trainer on hand to observe the taping process and putting on the gloves," Kizer said. "You saw what happened with (Oscar) De La Hoya with one strip of tape he wanted to use when he fought (Manny) Pacquiao last month and we said no.

    "I think what we're trying to say to fighters is that if you come to Nevada, you better not try anything. We have very sophisticated processes in place. Our reputation precedes us, and if you try to get away with anything, you're going to get caught."
     
  8. macalpinerules

    macalpinerules Active Member Full Member

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    Why didnt Margrito's lawyer use experts to debunk the case of the commission? Why would the commission ban a a trainer for life based on circumstantial evidence?

    The commission is not some nimrod body, if those wraps simply contained trace elements of anything unharmful, no one would have been banned for life and Margarito would not have been suspended for so long. Whatever was wrong with those wraps (and we may never know) the commission thought it was a danger to another fighter.
     
  9. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol: No need to rehash this all over again! :lol:

    The simple fact is that Margarito's trainer Capetillo used old used up knucklepads that were compressed from its many uses.
    That in turn tested positive for trace elements of two substances that are also present in Plaster of Paris. I'll emphasize "trace" elements.

    If its plaster of Paris discovered in Margarito's wraps, why not just word it "plaster of paris" instead of trace elements of blah blah blah????

    Shane Mosley on the day it was discovered said that the knucklepads did'nt feel hard to him.

    On the day of the CSAC hearings, several journalist and several members employed by the state went on record to state that the knucklepad felt firm but not hard in comparing it with just plain new fresh gauze.

    Of course an old dried up piece of used knucklepad compressed by the times its been used is going to feel firmer than a newly piece of gauze, thats just common sense.

    What was also said in those hearings was that the knucklepads confiscated could be bent back and forth.
    Anybody know of plaster that is bendable?


    Enough said!

    Capetillo was in the wrong to attempt to use previously worn knucklepads.
    They're illegal because they have been compressed and are a little firmer than fresh gauze.
    How much damage can those knucklepads cause in comparison to new gauze I dont think any of us here know for sure.

    What Capetillo did say at those hearings is that from the very start of his wrapping session with Margarito, Nazim Richardson was questioning to the inspector every move he made.
    He was so nerve wracked and mad at that point, he mistakenly used old knucklepads which he carries in his bag of materials to wrap.

    Capetillo's story is that Richardson got on his nerves that he just was'nt thinking straight when he was wrapping Margarito.

    Blame Capetillo for using old compressed gauze, but not for using actual plaster of paris, thats just erroneous and I think deep down even Margarito's detractors know it.

    If Plaster of Paris had been used, you can bet the state of California would have tried Capetillo and Margarito both, but that just was'nt the case.
    There just was'nt any evidence for the state to press charges on either Capetillo or Margarito.
     
  10. cyrax99

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    He was heavier than normal before this camp, he ****ed up big time. He was incredibly weight drained, he looked like a total zombie in there. This isn't even to mention the fact that Mosely was on roids, which HE HAS ADMITTED TO.

    I'm sure he didn't look the same walking to the ring, any scandal like that would **** with a guy's psyche, that isn't proof of guilt.

    So first off, these "officials" that you mention are part of the California State Athletic Commission. One of those people was in the locker room was Margo's hands were being wrapped, who SIGNED OFF on one of them. Now tell me, why does that guy still have a job if his wraps were loaded?

    Margarito has constantly said he did not load his wraps, and all his trainer has admitted to was using old gauze, that's it. See the picture I posted? That's what was confiscated, it is NOTHING but a bundle of old gauze. Sweat will cause wraps to become harder, so it probably did feel stiff, again nobody has denied they were using old gauze. The sticky substance was probably from something like tape, there was no plaster of paris on those wraps, I thoroughly covered that already. Upon request from the Margarito camp for an independent examination, the DA refused, backed off immediately, and NEVER PRESSED CHARGES. Do you mean to tell me if they found proof of him using plaster, they'd do nothing? Why did they refuse an independent examination?

    Naazim Richardson is a total liar, look at the video I posted, he claimed he found a brick, funny how nothing but gauze made it down to the lab. What Arum was saying was that Margarito had no clue any wrong doing was being committed, he had no idea the trainer was using old gauze, his trainer accepted responsibility for ****ing up on that.


    Care to refute any of the following points?

    > Cleveland Williams showed in his test that plaster of paris would crack and break into a million pieces when it broke into chunks after just one punch on the heavybag. How are there not chunks of plaster all inside of Margo's gloves?

    > Why did the manufacturer of plaster of paris explicitly state that it couldn't be used in such a fashion?

    > How would Margo's hands not have shattered if he had a "brick like substance" directly on his hands? Hands are very delicate.

    > If there was PoP on the wraps, how would it not be dead obvious? It would have been set by then, you'd literally see the plaster all over it.

    > Trace elements were found, not nearly enough for what he would have needed

    > All the other facts I posted in the original post.
     
  11. Dunks

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    Capetillo took the blame for the incident and told the commission his fighter didn't have knowledge of his actions. Capetillo, who also was suspended for a year in California, said it was "an innocent mistake."

    Bob Arum, founder and chairman of Top Rank, which has promoted Margarito for 10 years, plans to fight the decision.

    "The kid did nothing wrong. He didn't know anything. To deprive him of earning a living for one year is Draconian and un-American," Arum said. "We're going to seek to overturn it."

    "From what I know, there was a plaster of Paris-like substance in Margarito's wraps and the commission has these wraps under seal and is investigating what kind of substance it is," Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer, who promotes Mosley, told ESPN.com. "I'm happy to see the commission realized how serious the issue is and is acting swiftly. We'll see what the outcome will be of the situation."
     
  12. cyrax99

    cyrax99 The Greatest Full Member

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    The DA wouldn't allow an independent examination of the wraps when the Margarito camp requested it, plain and simple. He had no way to prove his innocence. When Margo went to apply for his license, the CSAC had mysteriously "lost" them (seriously.)
     
  13. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    so is what he used considered cheating?
     
  14. cyrax99

    cyrax99 The Greatest Full Member

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    Nothing but the last paragraph really means anything, and when they did investigate, they couldn't prove anything. The DA backed off quick, he knew he had no case, that simple. Feel free to respond to my last post.
     
  15. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    Capetillo testified that he accidentally put the pads in Margarito's gloves. "I don't want this young man to have his problems," Capetillo said. "I take full responsibility. I committed this innocent mistake."

    The California State Athletic Commission (CSAC) inspector Che Guevar
    a testified that the pad inside Margarito's hand wraps was "not hard as a rock, but firm and hard."

    So no matter what the substance was it was still illegal and was cheating. His own trainer admitted to WRONG DOING. Why didnt he ever say it was just old gauze?:lol:
    Stop making excuses..:patsch