Why Canelo can beat floyd

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Gander Tasco, Apr 22, 2013.


  1. browsing

    browsing Active Member Full Member

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    Fighting through the urge to just 'facepalmlulz' your thread, I will retort...


    -Size- Won't help. Floyd is bigger than he looks when he gets in the ring against almost all opponents. Citing size, you are alluding to Canelo being able to do what? Wrestle? Bully Floyd?

    That takes skill and experience, both of which Canelo has never shown when it comes to using his size against opponents. If he did, point out one fight please.

    Canelo can't either, out-muscle Floyd, without falling into infighting, and I dont think anyone has ever thought that was Floyds weakness..or that infighting was Canelos strength...

    Power - This is a red-herring. Power negation and accuracy nullifying is Floyds defenseive forte and Canelos power is over-rated. Why do people tout Canelo as a power puncher? He's not, or atleast, I don't see any evidence of such.

    Style - 'FLoyd' - "Like I always say (lol) styles makes fights." Canelo is a taylor made UD for Floyd. The stylist advantage without a doubt goes to Floyd. This goes without pointing out that Canelo doesnt have anything 'special' about his boxingwork. He's as basic as it gets. His jab aint better than Cotto or Mosleys jab and neither of those two gave Floyd Jr any serious problems. Against Floyd, Canelos textbook combinations would only set him up for hookage. all night long..The least it takes for combinations to be successful against seasoned fighters is blazing speed, this is something Canelo does not have... Stylistically, Floyd is a nightmare for Canelo.

    You act like you don't understand Floyd Jr-boxing, Floyd is almost NEVER where he doesn't want to be in the ring. Youre only talking about the Cotto fight in your above description, and Cotto was forced to follow Floyd into the ropes because if he stood in middle of the ring, he'd get tagged /which is exactly what happened whenever FloydVsCotto got in the center in the ring..Cotto looked the most productive while Floyd was against the ropes, which is exactly why Floyd put him there to give the fans excitement..
    and if you're talking about the Ortiz fight, then you're still misunderstanding Floyd Jr-boxing (which is bad form seeing as how Floyd won both his past two fights largely behind work that was done on the ropes...)

    Stamina/Work Rate Issues --

    Canelo's stamina and work-rate are ofcourse related to one another. They are both bad, where-as Floyds isn't..

    Using Cotto vs Floyd to project a victory for Canelo, in a match up vs Floyd is to imply that Canelo can do what Cotto did, but better, when what Cotto did vs Floyd was exactly what Floyd let him do...which was get his ass outscored following Floyd to the ropes to miss a bunch of punches worrying about uppercuts...


    Stawp this, stop it now..


    Canelo is too basic IMO to beat Floyd. Canelo from the trout fight is Gym work for Floyd Jr.


    Most PPL DKSAB..

    Stop trying to out-muscle Floyd, stop trying to bully him, stop trying to rough him up.

    WHY DONT PEOPLE JUST TRY TO OUT BOX FLOYD!!!! Thats where your success will lie, not to get over-anxious, not to get over-zealous, DONT CHASE HIM. Canelo doesn't have the IQ to beat Floyd, stop it. What he might have is the youth, in which case, he would have to try to box Floyd with Speed (if he's got any / and he doesnt)..


    Long story short...
    Canelo is Gym Work for Floyd Jr.....
     
  2. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Right now, he can“t......in a couple of years, yeah!
     
  3. Slickstar

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    1) Nelo was unable to get those combos off when fighting Trout. Floyd is the master of lowering an opponent's volume and preventing them from throwing combos.

    3) You propose he takes a more proactive approach if he fights Floyd. How when he has ultra terrible stamina? Floyd rapes him bad if they're in the center of the ring boxing. Nelo's other option would be to pressure, but that's very demanding on stamina
     
  4. Matty lll

    Matty lll Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your Pacquaio nuthugging knows no bounds
     
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    A seasoned poster, posting such foolishness?

    Floyd doesn't throw the jab, because he is a boxing-master. He doesn't waste energy where he doesn't have to and he only throws the jab when his boxing-style dictates a purpose for it..Which rarely arises.

    Does Floyd have a jab? Yes. Does he HAVE to throw it? No.
    So why throw it? Because you want to see it? again... most PPL DKSAB..
     
  6. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I wasn't being serious. I advise you click on the link in my post though :hey
     
  7. ATrillionaire

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    Floyd's jabs to the body would be extremely frustrating to Canelo. He's too slow to get in close without being stopped in his tracks over and over again by that jab.
     
  8. Gander Tasco

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    1.Canelo wasn't trying to get off combos so much on Trout.. he was sharp-shooting / playing the counter puncher against a difficult southpaw opponent. That's not how he typically fights.

    3. I haven't seen any evidence that he has 'terrible stamina.' A low workrate (which isn't really true) doesn't automatically mean bad stamina. He went 12 rounds with Mosley 2 fights ago and threw quite a lot of punchees - and I don't remember him gassing out.

    He doesn't need to pressure floyd by overworking himself and getting into clinches. He just needs to keep stepping forward behind his jab, get into punching range and let off his combinations. This is not the hardest thing to do against floyd who has habit of letting guys walk in and tee-off. It's finding him in those moments that's the hard part.
     
  9. Slickstar

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    It'd be like Mayweather-Marquez. Nelo wouldn't have the dynamic offensive footwork necessary to do anything but plod around following Floyd to consistently get popped with the jab.
     
  10. Slickstar

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    1) He got frustrated from putting together combos and missing the majority of his shots. Difference is Floyd has a greater offense than Trout and would make Nelo pay.

    3) Please watch the fight again when you can
     
  11. Slickstar

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    Hopkins made his later career out of forcing young guys to follow him around looking dumb as they'd get pop with counters.

    While Mayweather doesn't move laterally as well as Hopkins, he has a better jab and can best Nelo if **** goes inside. Trout rendered Nelo ineffective inside.
     
  12. bballchump11

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    :blood
     
  13. Nay_Sayer

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    Lol....

    Did you not see the fight last Saturday? Canelo was huffing and puffing with his mouth wide open by the 4th round, taking off long stretches by the middle rounds. And exactly how many punches did he throw against Trout?
     
  14. browsing

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    Im sorry dude.

    LMAO ROFL :lol::lol::lol:


    I see Tasco has a history of DKSAB..

    Marquez got his ass handed to him in historical/mythlogical/legendarical (not a word) proportions... Mayweather beat his ass like a little baby. MarquezVsMayweather was much like DonaireVsRigondeaux

    (check my posting history, I was going for Rigondeaux from the beginning and I called the boxing-clinic about to be opened up..)

    When will people get it? Mayweather has two successful prolific boxers in his corner and background as trainers. Snrs trainer, Rogers trainer, then Roger and Snr as boxing stars and trainers... No trainer can look at Floyd and say 'Don't do what he does'.. unless you simply arent physically capable of producing the same success..

    Gander Tasco what was your response to that beating Marquez took from Mayweather?