What is Ring generalship exactly, lets define it FFS...............

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  1. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Watch Bhop.

    Look how he effortlessly control the fight to his liking. He decides what's going on in the ring.

    He decides that he will move forward or back, not the other guy. He decides when he will punch, not the other guy.

    And when the other guy tries to break the pattern, they look silly and wing at air.
     
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  2. Beenie

    Beenie Evolve already! Full Member

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    Commanding pace and space.
     
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  3. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    you're right, ring generalship is complete bull****.
     
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  4. browsing

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    he look, another one..

     
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  5. Waynegrade

    Waynegrade Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Spot on !!
     
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  6. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I understand control as that facet of your strategy which will nullify your opponents offense, so that you may be the one landing the greater number of blows.

    Its a ****ing means to an end. not the end al be all of a ****ing match. you prevent him form scoring while YOU SCORE, how you go about accomplishing this is irrelevant, you can, swarm slug,counter punch, how slick polished or smooth, or ****ing crude you look is irrelevant to who is landing the greater number of blows.

    I know exactly what the **** ring generalship is within the context of a boxing match yet I believe its way too subjective and the mover or guy playing keep away is getting way to much credit for non engagement.

    using Nonito vs Rigo is the wrong example as Rigo absolutely schooled Donaire....I don't like the rigo style yet I would love it if he just thew a few more shots in there. I would use Alvarez vs Trout as a better example where a fighter gets ****ed (Trout) by a guy suposedly exhibiting greater ring generalship and control its a complete and utter ****ing fantasy

    scoring a fight should not be that hard but we make it so by inventing a bull**** load of redundant criteria for scoring a match when it should just come down to who has dominated a rd by landing the greater number of blows. In a rd where its pretty even the rd is a ****ing draw. If you watch a rd and go wow that was close I cant really say who won that one but Im going to give it to Marquez based on Ring GENRALSHIP you are the reason we cant get a ****ing correct score, that rd you just witnessed should have been a draw period.
     
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  7. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The clue is in the word generalship. Its about bossing the fight, being in control.
     
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  8. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  9. xRedx

    xRedx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with this post for the most part except that the power of shots should be considered too. A boxer can land numerous shots easily if theres nothing behind them.
     
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  10. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's actually a very good point:

    Ring generalship is something interesting to discuss, and something to admire, but if the "ring general" doesn't actually score more blows, or at least the more effective blows, then I agree that it should not IN ITSELF be a factor in the scoring.

    The obvious, recent example is Canelo-Trout: Trout almost totally controlled the fight, yet Canelo clearly scored the more effective punches. Thus, arguably, "most" fans thought Canelo deserved the decision. (including me.)
     
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  11. mikem1

    mikem1 New Member Full Member

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    This

    Completely agree.

    Exactly. Some muther****ers even scored the 7th round 10-9 Canelo because after the knockdown Trout "controlled" the rest of the round. **** is laughable.
     
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  12. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ring generalship is making the other fighter fight your fight. If you're a pressure guy and you keep the other guy backing up while landing more clean punches than him then that's Ring generalship, if you're a defensive counterpuncher and make the other guy follow you around the ring and keep him off balance while potshotting and countering him more than he's able to hit you then that's also ring generalship.
     
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  13. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nothing defines it better than B-Hop's brilliant performance against Tavoris CLoud, 'n Rigondeaux's master class against Donaire.
     
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  14. Drew101

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    Yeah, but nothing also defines ring generalship like Duran-Leonard I, and Mayorga-Forrest II. In both of those cases, the winners of those contests looked to be the boss, even if there was actually little to separate them in terms of punches landed.
     
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  15. turbotime

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    Implementing your gameplan, dictating the pace. (Whether it is done from a distance or in close)
     
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