Prime Hearns vs Hagler

It was Hearns mouthpiece. I never heard anyone else identify what caused the cut. I figured it out easily. 1:19 left in the round, you can see Hagler lean in and Hearns lean in and both threw rights to the body and Hagler head rubs to the left as Hearns rubs to the left also with Hearns mouth at Hagler's forehead, and it is a violent rub and just the circumstances came together where they hit at the right time and it tore open Marvin's forehead. Totally inadvertant. Both guys were so much into the fight and they didn't even know this was happening. It was that intense a fight. It was a fluke since mouthpieces are not considered to cut, but when both guys are punching and it rubs like that -it causes heat and friction which cuts into the skin. One guy rubbing it wouldn't have done anything, it was that both were punching to the right and Hagler moved into it hard. It was actually Hagler who moved right into it with all his weight.

 

It isn't because I am a Hearns fan but the style does favor Marvin, but I still found it interesting that Hearns first few punches hurt Marvin. I am just saying, had Tommy not broken his right hand it would have been very very interesting to see what the other right hands would have done with some leverage. Tommy would have had to be patient and not throw the typical straight down against a southpaw, because then he might break his hand again. Hagler had a very strong neck. But Hagler always beats Hearns? I honestly don't think so. I think Hagler has advantage for sure, but Hearns has that right hand and fast jab and if he slows it down Marvin has a really tough tim. I do believe the more they fought the more Hearns would start winning. Hearns was a warrior more than people think. I do believe p4p Hearns was greater than Hagler. Not much but a little. He fought at the weights more, Hagler's greatest fights are against smaller guys. Tommy's career encompasses more time and obviously many more divisions and hall of fame fighters.

 

Agreed. People seem forget that Tommy tried to box Marvin in round 2 and still couldn't keep Marvin off of him.

 

By that time he was exhausted and hurt and had a broken hand. Tommy had the tools to beat Marvin. It would be hard, but the one thing he has is speed and Marvin was easy to hit for him. I don't think he would have trouble hitting Marvin. The key is not breaking that hand.

 

How did he break the hand ?

 

You were talking about Hearns could stop Hagler being 'obvious', if Hearns came out smarter. I say it's not at all obvious.

Now you're saying that if Hagler had ALLOWED Hearns to box at range for several rounds he would have lost ??? :huh
Well, yeah, that's like saying Hagler could have turned up and not tried to win, or he could have fought a gameplan totally suited to his opponent's strengths ... and lost. You could make the same argument for every win Hagler has on his record, I'm sure.

 

I am saying Hagler could not duplicate that first fight, and had Hearns not broken his hand and slowed down the pace a little he would have dropped in a better leveraged right hand. Tommy did not fight a smart fight, and in hindsight Hagler did. Had Tommy won obviously it would have been seen as brilliant. Hagler was always a hard fight for Hearns, although I always thought Hearns was greater than Hagler because of his quality of opposition at different weights being better.

 

Well, rematches are very rarely complete duplicates.

I think it's far more likely that Pipino Cuevas would KO Thomas Hearns in a series of fights than Hearns beating Hagler by any means. Just saying.

 

Hagler vs Hearns at cw

:deal

 

If you chose to fight toe to toe with a grissled, strong chinned champion like Hagler, you always run the risk of getting knocked out.

Hagler would always beat Hearns under those circumstances. Tommys best chance would be to use his height, reach and boxing ability.

 

I don't, just because Tommy hit Marvin and hurt him and cut him up, opposed to Cuevas not being able to reach Tommy. Now a Cuevas who was middleweight vs. a middleweight Thomas Hearns might have been trouble. As for Marvin, I don't see Tommy beating Marvin by decision like Leonard did, I do see Tommy's punches and sharpness being able to win by TKO. TKO was the way he would have beaten Marvin, not knockout or decision. I think Tommy gave Marvin what he wanted by slugging at the beginning of round one. It took away the real question if Tommy fighting his normal fight could beat Marvin. The way they fought, both of them threw away the tactics or boxing skills and the best chin would win and Marvin did. I think Hearns could hurt Hagler, but this would happen more in the rematch since Tommy would jab and try and swell Marvin up.. I just think punches in a rematch with a slower pace do a lot of damage to Hagler. I always thought Hagler was easy to hit, so Tommy brawling like that didn't make it easier, it made it so that Marvin could hit Tommy. Tommy would have always been able to hit Marvin and probably cleaner if he slowed down the pace. The fact that Hagler fought at the pace shows he had some doubts about fighting a slower pace Hearns who could measure him.

 

Hagler always beats Hearns. Tommy smashed Marvin with his best weapon and it didn't keep Marvin from closing in. Tommy also broke his hand BECAUSE he punched Marvin's Titanium Skull. Yes he should've tried to outbox him, but Tommy being the fighter he is wanted to knock Marvin out, which wasn't going to happen.

 

Hearns defensive skill and inability to use his height\legs and just reflexively leaning away from punches against Middles with a good reach would always doom him against Hagler.

I actually give him a good bit better chance at upsetting Monzon(though i would pick him to lose more often than not still).

 

It seems some of these Hearns fans are the same as Pacman fans and go out the way to defend their fighter.