Weakest chins of all time?

For a good fighter, Terry Norris is right up there... We can forgive him for Jackson, but Mullings, Brown and Boudani ??? Another one was Big Joh Tate, when he did get blasted, damn was he ever out ! Richard Dunn ...Mugabi after Hagler.

 

An old-timer who comes to mind whose chin prevented him from becoming an ATG was Ruby Goldstein. Fred Fulton is another who comes to mind. Willard had the chin and toughness Fulton lacked. Jack Johnson versus Fulton in Havana would have been an interesting contrast to Willard. Does Fred last long enough for Johnson to wind down?

 

who was the guy who TT hit? David price?? worst chin ive seen

 

Alot of fighters will say one fighter on one occasion then another fighter on another. I've seen the video where he says about Foreman "Hardest puncher I ever fought...he never knocked me down but with 1 shot I thought he knocked all my teeth out".

 

Foreman himself is notorious for this, but his quotes get pretty consistent when pressed to choose between Morrison, Holyfield, Briggs, Cooney, Ali (who really loaded up on George, and took him out with the hardest right hand of his career, according to Muhammad), Frazier, Norton and others. Foreman always seems to definitively settle on Lyle when challenged to compare them all against one another.

Less than a year after toppling George, Ali wrecked Lyle with the same sort of right cross he regained the title with. Exactly 40 seconds into round four in Kinshasa, Muhammad stunned Foreman with a lightning right cross to conclude a right-left-right combination out of a neutral corner. George's face was already swelling by this time. Foreman would definitely be the chief authority on how hard Ali could hit, when loading up consistently.

George has rated Muhammad the fifth hardest puncher he ever fought, in some interviews he's been quoted. The Rumble in the Jungle was an extremely rare example of Ali shooting towards the kill with this kind of regularity though. Looking at that footage closely, I believe what both participants have indicated, that it was essentially over after the concluding sequence of round five, and that Muhammad could have started round six looking to finish it then and there, successfully. [His hands must not have felt too good after this one, but what caused him to pee blood would have made him overlook that a bit.]

Hein Ten Hoff had good height, reach, mobility and skill, but suffered two devastating single round starchings. Ingo is no great shame, but Neuhaus II is more disturbing, as Heinz only had 15 knockouts in 47 wins. Maybe Ten Hoff was just caught cold, but the Ingo footage suggests he couldn't take that much of a punch. [He got Walcott on the front foot in driving rain on a slippery canvas, thus was able to survive to the final bell on his feet, but with some difficulty.]

Don't know what to make of Patterson's chin. Nobody ever completely put his lights out [he was back was on his feet both times the referee waved the ten count's conclusion against Liston], and he only otherwise appeared seriously stunned [rather than caught off balance] against Ingo. Aside from Ali I [which nobody considers a reflection on his chin or lack of balance], nobody dropped him beyond round four [Bonavena].

Maybe we should start by asking who had the worst chin among boxers in the IBHOF, Ring HOF, and WBHOF. [Goldstein is not an HOFer as a boxer, so far as I know, so he'd be excluded from consideration.]

 

Ali had great delivery and was an even better finisher.

Also I do think fighters confuse harderst punches with punches that hurt the most.
The hardest shots generally don't hurt at all, a shot like the one Julian Jackson threw against Herol Graham doesn't hurt because you're out before your nerves have a chance to signal pain.
Also Mariusz Wach said that after a while Wlad's punches stopped hurting (I didn't mention Wlad on purpose, and it's not about Wlad before you start commenting on me mentioning Wlad again, I'm talking about what Wach said)

Lewis probably says it the best in this video:
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1:05 onwards if you don't want to see the rest

"I don't know why I didn't feel it, but I didn't feel it"

Lewis is pretty slick with the jumprope

 

karl Mildenberger must figure somewhere here.

 

Not a bad answer. He did defeat or draw with some competent punchers, like Folley and Machen though. Bonavena bounced him up and down a few times, and he DQed himself against 'Enery before Cooper could lower the boom, in addition to his four stoppage wins. Being a southpaw took him an awful long way in an era where they hardly had ever existed before.

I'll toss in Bob Foster here. To me, he became HUGELY responsible for the myth that a light heavyweight could not compete with heavyweights, could not stand up to their power. Actually, Bob's utter inability to compete against quality heavyweights makes him unusual among the great LHW Champions who tried top heavyweight competition. Michael Spinks and John Henry Lewis were both retired by blowouts in HW Title competition, but they did previously defeat HOF heavyweights. Only Richard Dunn [another name for this thread] got bounced repeatedly by individual shots like BF was, and Eddie Vick [the Zuri Lawrence of his day] is only recorded as ever flooring one other opponent.

Bob Foster largely ended the notion of the LHW Champion as an automatic top contender for the HW Title, and I partly blame him for the establishment of what I have always considered a ******* CW division. Despite his blowout at Tyson's hands, I credit Michael Spinks for reversing that idea, and paving the way for guys like Holyfield, Moorer, Toney and RJJ to know that it was indeed still possible for a smaller man to move up and have success at the highest weight. [Bob Foster does NOT defeat Steffen Tangstad. He never came remotely close to successfully competing against a heavyweight of Tangstad's caliber, let alone somebody like Holmes or Cooney.]

For me, Bob's stature wasn't the issue. Panama Al Brown was never stopped in 167 fights, and only a handful of knockdowns were recorded against him over his career of more than 20 years duration. No, BF was chinny, period.

Maxim would have been lotsa fun for Bob. I'd bet the mortgage against BF winning via stoppage in that one.

 

Wlad's is pathetic for an otherwise exceptional fighter .... if he had a chin he might have been the best ever at heavyweight ... size, speed , strength, conditioning, exceptional power, brains ... all but a chin ... look what he has accomplished without one ..

 

His problem is what he does after he get ****.
He's like Bruno, he can take some shots but mentally he just folds and becomes stiff like a rod of tungsten.

 

Not so much really . He makes de bottom of my top 20 HW H2H OAT .
McCline , Byrd #1 , Barrett , Thompson #1 were his biggest wins , with McCline being de bigest by far .

Byrd was n obvious mismatch .
I noticed that Wladimir fought quite a few rel8ively big , but still smaller than him and absolutely old opponents such as Thompson*2 , Austin , Derrick Jefferson ,

Paea Wolfgramm , David Bostice and Mariusz Wach were big but not old when they lost 2 him .
McCline borderline old .

Is Wlad's record , including his losses better than Witherspoon's ? about on de same level . Wladimir's opponents were bigger in average , Witherspoon's were younger & better , Witherspoon's losses were less humili8ing in volume = quantity * average humiliation per loss .

Wladimir with de chin of his brother might had lost 2 Sanders still , 4 being shorter and more reachable than his brother and having a not very smart style .

 

Audley Harrison.

 

Cool post.

 

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