Here's my Judah - Garcia card after rewatching the fight.

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I had to watch this fight again, and I scored it round by round. I am looking for seperation or I'll score the round even.

    Zab Danny
    10-10
    10-10
    10-10
    9-10
    9-10
    9-10
    10-9*
    8-10
    9-10*
    10-9
    10-9
    10-9*

    Total
    114-116

    *Extremely close round where I felt one guy did just enough to edge it

    Notes:

    I think a lot of people gave Danny the first 3 rounds, but if you re-watch those rounds, they were pretty even. Neither guy landed anything huge, but both were active and had their moments. Zab landed some great punches in round 2, and neither guy really let the other guy get the upper hand in these rounds imho.

    Round 6
    Early in the round, Zab got hit with a punch and it looked like his gloves might have touched the canvas. it was hard to tell because of the camera angle and the fact that there weren't any instant replays. So I scored this round assuming his glove didn't hit the canvas. Danny caused significant damage this round and really had Zab wobbled twice. This round could have been a 10-8 round for Danny, but I thought Zab managed to land just enough punches to keep it 10-9.

    Round 7
    Garcia 12 of 49 24%
    Judah 19 of 48 40%

    Round 8
    Zab was winning the first half of the round until the knockdown right around the midway point. it was a "swift" straight right hand through the double handed guard of Judah after Zab landed a nice clean punch on Danny. This knockdown was incredibly sneaky by Danny and surprised Judah. Judah was in a blocking stance and he went down because he wasn't expecting contact at that moment. that punch went through Zab's two handed guard (amazingly hard to do) with power and caused the cut under Zab's left eye. Spectacular round.

    Round 11
    The round was dead even when the round was stopped with 43 seconds left for Zab's shoe to be tied. But in the last 40 seconds, Zab absolutely won this round with brilliant power punches and a huge right hand body shot.

    Round 12
    Great round for Zab but I thought both guys landed about the same amount of huge clean punches, Danny finished strong in the final seconds with a huge right hand. I had a hard time deciding whether to score it 10-10 or 10-9 for Zab. I would like to see round 12 punch stats.

    The key rounds to me were round 6, round 8 and round 12. Round 6 was a mammoth round for Garcia. He had Zab in serious trouble, but Zab somehow managed to stay up and survive. If Zab doesn't get knocked down in round 8 and wins that round, like he was for the first half, that's a 3 point swing.

    The official scores were 115-112, 114-112, 116-111, so my margin was in line with this scoring. I would like to hear how you guys scored it. It's hard to score a fight as a fan when you are watching it live, because you are so into it. but when you re-watch a fight you can really look at the rounds as a whole and try to score it objectively.
     
  2. box4life11

    box4life11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Zab won the last three for sure IMO.
     
  3. Two Shakes

    Two Shakes Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had Garcia by 3 rounds.
    Judah spent too long pawing with punches and being too passive.
    I would like to give Judah props though,i'm one of his harshest critics and his performance last night showed me he was prepared to suck it up,dig deep and fight.
    I honestly thought he'd wilt once Garcia started landing big shots,but Judah remained composed and fought brilliantly during the second half of the fight.Garcia was looking very shaky over the last 3 rounds.
    I'd certainly pay to see a rematch.
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Um.

    I used to do even rounds all the time so I get it. And I don't hate them on principle.

    But that is ridiculous.

    Garcia won the first two rounds clean.

    How are you going to score the first 3 rounds even then have a asterisk stating that certain other rounds were "extremely close" where you "felt one guy did just enough to edge it" when there is not much of a difference at all in the competitiveness between those first 3 rounds and the rounds 7, 9, and 12 which you denote?

    Come on... And if you are going to do that, how does the 11th not earn an asterisk?!?

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    In the end, I had it a 4 point spread.
     
  5. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :patsch 3 even rounds? The fight was one-sided, aside from some of the early rounds and late rounds (which were still competitive), GArcia controlled the fight. I think your reaching to give judah any more then 3 or 4 rounds.
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good post. I really appriciate any constructive criticism. I generally agree with what you are saying, and I don't claim to be perfect. i try to balance things to the best of my ability.

    The 11th round doesn't earn an askerisk because like I said, the round was dead even in my mind when the round was stopped to tie Zab's shoe. But after the round was restarted, Zab went on a frenzy and decisively won that round in my mind because he landed some absolute bombs.

    The ones with the askerisk could easily have been 10-10 rounds, and frankly, I didn't think Zab did enough to win any of the first 3 rounds. But at the same time, I didn't think Danny really decisively won those rounds either. round 2 i think was closer then round 1. (round 1 probably could have gone to Danny, but when you compare rounds 1-3 to rounds 4-6, where Danny clearly won, I don't think it's accurate to give Danny each of the first 6 rounds 10-9) Danny won rounds 4-6 decisively. rounds 1-3 were close, heck round 3 you could have concievably gave to Zab.
     
  7. shadow111

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    I would have been reaching if I gave Zab any more then 3 of 4 rounds. I only gave Zab 4 rounds, and 2 of those were razor close. It wouldn't be crazy to score 6 rounds even, 4 to Danny and 2 to Zab. Rounds 1, 2, 3, 7, 9, and 12 were all incredibly close rounds. Rounds 4, 5, 6, 8, 10, and 11 were each rounds where I thought it was clear that someone won it. I'm not just going to give someone a round. Zab Judah held his own in the first 3 rounds. He was landing and didn't really get hit clean in those rounds.
     
  8. DirtyDan

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    9 rounds to 3 with a KD, Garcia. I Gave rounds 1-9 to Garcia, I felt he won pretty clearly especially with that KD. Round 10 was a clear Judah round, probably the only clear round you could give Judah. Round 11 was even, they both went to war.. but I gave it to Zab because he was wayyyy behind in the fight. Round 12 was another pretty even one, but I felt Zab landed the harder shots with Danny winning the last half of the fight.
    117-110.
     
  9. shadow111

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    Even though my card is closer, I think you're card is fair. You're giving Danny the close rounds, and it's certainly debatable. But I'm just not sure that you can give Danny all of the first 9 rounds. Would you agree that out of those first 9 rounds, the closest rounds were 1, 2, 3, and 7? I believe this fight had momentum shifts. Danny hurt Zab bad in Round 6, but Zab came back in the 7th and in the first half of the 8th was winning that round. then he got knocked down which swung the momentum back in Danny's favor. Then it took Zab until the 10th to recover from that KD. I happen to think there's some rounds where both guys are landing, neither guy is getting rocked, and both guys are doing what they have to do. I thought 1, 2, 3, 7, and 9 were those type of rounds.
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Nice. Respect. And I did give Zab the 3rd round.

    Well I feel like a dick for sounding like a dick in my post when you respond with a class statement like this.
     
  11. shadow111

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    Hey I think you needed to challenge my card so I could try to explain where I was coming from. And look at that, you yourself had Zab winning the 3rd round, where i scored it 10-10. So we're seeing the same things. i think these are tough decisions for any boxing judge to score. It's just a matter of how willing we are to consider 10-10 rounds.

    Could you share your round by round scores? i'd like to see which rounds we agree on and which ones we differ on.
     
  12. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    The first 3 rounds weren't really close. Danny negated Zab's jab, pressed the action, and kept landing those straight rights. He kept coming forward while Zab was backing down trying to counter punch. I was with my friends watching the fight and we all were scoring the fights. One of my friends had the 3rd round for Judah, but I don't know, I guess I have to see the fight. But after 3 and that knockdown, I believe it was pretty clear for Garcia. The only round I didn't see was the 9th round cause I had to take a ****.. and that was the round Garcia knocked Judah down. Then you could give the next 3 rounds to Judah.
     
  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I gave Zab 3, 7, 10, and 12.
     
  14. shadow111

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    Garcia knocked down Judah in the 8th, not the 9th. The 9th was very close, though I gave it to Danny.
     
  15. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Yeah my fault, it was either the 8th or 9th. All I know was that I had to take a long **** and made a sandwich and missed the KD.