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How does HW history look if Tyson got an immediate rematch with Buster.?

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DaveK said: ↑

I'd love to see your definition of having someone's number then...
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Lol. Exactly.

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The Kurgan said: ↑

Both improve (Buster due to being more confident and Tyson due to being more focused) but on balance I think that Buster still wins, as (1) he'd watch out for Tyson's power more; (2) be more confident that he'd get the decision as champ; and (3) the first fight was so one-sided that Tyson couldn't, without Rooney, improve THAT much.

Buster gets even fatter, but in the interim, Evander Holyfield fights Tommy Hearns who moves up (on the basis that Tyson is out of action) and has a shock loss to the Hitman. Then, a fat Buster loses to Hearns.

However, SRL also moves up in this period and so we see the much anticipated rubber-match between these two. SRL would move up better to heavyweight than Tommy, though he'd take a lot of punishment, and so HE achieves Tommy's great achievement of moving up from welterweight to heavyweight and winning the title.

Meanwhile, Duran has been gradually moving up to heavyweight. Though he's a bit chubby, he wins several cruiserweight bouts and SRL sees his opportunity to take advantage of Duran's weight. In their fight (in around 1992), SRL seemingly ages overnight, but still is ahead going into the 12th round. He knocks Duran down with a check-hook, but SRL's corner mishear the count and run into the ring to congratulate him, clearly distracting Duran and resulting in Hands of Stone being counted out. The referee has no choice but to award Duran the fight by DQ. SRL, in disgust, retires and Duran becomes the undisputed heavyweight champion in controversial fashion.

Hagler comes out of retirement at this point. Hagler was always a natural middleweight and looks shockingly flabby at heavyweight, so Duran fancies his chances. In the 5th round, both connect with punches and go down, as in the famous ending of that fight between Mutti and Murphy. Duran gets distracted by SRL's corner, who got some expensive ringside seats using money from a bet on Hearns beating Holyfield, AGAIN and fails to rise, but Hagler gets up.

In short, the answer is "the Fab 4".
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Fascinating, but plausible, scenario...

Fab 4 ever

DaveK, Apr 28, 2013

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BoxingFanPhil said: ↑

Tons of ifs and ands. I think it was in Buster's hands. He certainly wasn't a better fighter than Tyson, but I'm convinced he had his number.
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I'm not sure I would go so far as to say he had Tyson's number - he still had a mediocre chin and inconsistent heart/motivation, and that would always give Tyson a viable chance against him IMO.

But having said that, I do agree that he had the style and tools to trouble Tyson under almost any circumstances. People seem to overlook the fact that Douglas was not physically/mentally prepared for Tyson either - he was sick with the flu and grieving the recent death of his mother. Imagine how well Douglas would've performed if he wasn't burdened by illness/grief - maybe Tyson doesn't even get a chance to land the punch that dropped him in the 8th round?

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TheSouthpaw said: ↑

Granted Tyson would have had to stay outa trouble, and kept it together mentally ( which isnt likely )...but if they had rematched within 6 months after the fight in Japan what happens to Mike? and what happens to the HW division at that time?...And if Mike wins the second fight is Holy is the next man to beat him?
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If Buster was just as motivated, I'd bet on him beating Tyson again..but by decision or a later tko in 11 or 12..

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red cobra said: ↑

If Buster was just as motivated, I'd bet on him beating Tyson again..but by decision or a later tko in 11 or 12..
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Its possible..

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If Don King wanted a Douglas rematch bad enough it would have been pretty easy to make Tyson look like a more worthy challenger than cruiserweight Holyfield to one of the governing bodies. After initially trying to get the result overturned I think Don was ok about Douglas being able to take the next guy.
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That is not what I am seing at all.

King seems to have fought tooth and nail to enforce Douglas rematching Tyson.

The best plan is usualy the simplest one.
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Rex Tickard said: ↑

I'm not sure I would go so far as to say he had Tyson's number - he still had a mediocre chin and inconsistent heart/motivation, and that would always give Tyson a viable chance against him IMO.

But having said that, I do agree that he had the style and tools to trouble Tyson under almost any circumstances. People seem to overlook the fact that Douglas was not physically/mentally prepared for Tyson either - he was sick with the flu and grieving the recent death of his mother. Imagine how well Douglas would've performed if he wasn't burdened by illness/grief - maybe Tyson doesn't even get a chance to land the punch that dropped him in the 8th round?
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Be careful dude!..Your about to get yelled at for saying this!...:nut

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Why would he get yelled at? Buster said it was fuel for him to win (his mother's death), so I take him at his word on that; you can see the result so you know it helped. I believe it helped him overcome a fight he never should have won..

He beat the **** out of Tyson all night; from the first bell to the end. Tyson was in agains a better man that night. Say what you will about Tyson's preparations and corner. Fight time said Buster was the better man. Don't take that away from him. He did a world-class job of whipping an ATG (in some opinions).

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DaveK said: ↑

Why would he get yelled at? Buster said it was fuel for him to win (his mother's death), so I take him at his word on that; you can see the result so you know it helped. I believe it helped him overcome a fight he never should have won..

He beat the **** out of Tyson all night; from the first bell to the end. Tyson was in agains a better man that night. Say what you will about Tyson's preparations and corner. Fight time said Buster was the better man. Don't take that away from him. He did a world-class job of whipping an ATG (in some opinions).
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Intelligently put...And your right he did beat the **** out of an all time great, and yes fuel indeed!..Tysons preps and corner (or lack there of) did play a roll..using a rubber glove full of cool water for Tysons swelling is just rediculous..So yes that played a roll as well..( it didnt help any)..And on that night Buster was the better man..If they fight 9 more times do you believe he gives Tyson that much trouble again, or even beats him again?..Take Tyson out of Japan, put his ass in a training camp here in america(supervised training ofcourse because Tyson found it hard to do the right thing from here on)..make Tyson work his ass off to train for a rematch with Buster, make him show some kind of restraint and discipline and I say in the rematch Buster doesnt make it past the 5th.

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Intelligently put...And your right he did beat the **** out of an all time great, and yes fuel indeed!..Tysons preps and corner (or lack there of) did play a roll..using a rubber glove full of cool water for Tysons swelling is just rediculous..So yes that played a roll as well..( it didnt help any)..And on that night Buster was the better man..If they fight 9 more times do you believe he gives Tyson that much trouble again, or even beats him again?..Take Tyson out of Japan, put his ass in a training camp here in america(supervised training ofcourse because Tyson found it hard to do the right thing from here on)..make Tyson work his ass off to train for a rematch with Buster, make him show some kind of restraint and discipline and I say in the rematch Buster doesnt make it past the 5th.
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The Buster that showed up that night would ALWAYS give Tyson problems.

DaveK, Apr 29, 2013

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DaveK said: ↑

The Buster that showed up that night would ALWAYS give Tyson problems.
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Do you think The Buster from the first fight with Iron Would have beat him..And. if we would have seen the Buster from THAT NIGHT would have ever shown up again....But he never did Dave..,Destroyed my Holy ( who did have Mike #..:bbb

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http://youtu.be/NcLqEh_4v3I..Holy, Douglas highlights from the fight

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Does anyone score Douglas 1 round in that fight..

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http://youtu.be/R8z0xoMze8U

Tyson Vs Douglas..Full Fight in HD

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Tokyo version of Douglas gives ANY version of Tyson trouble, due to his size and toolset and mindset.

Any other Douglas gets Knocked out

The most probable scenario is that in any rematch Douglas turns up as his normal self, thinking it will be another easy night, tyson trains hard and comes better prepared

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