Eubank: Benn/Graham were better than Nunn/McCallum!

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  1. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Talk to us about the dedication required to be a pro boxer?


    CESR: Oh, you want to talk about dedication, oh my God. OK... There is a thing called the 'Warriors Code', and what does it mean? Well... It means you have got to be clean. You have to be in the gym every day, on the road every day. If you put the hours in, you enjoy the reward.

    And it is about manners. In normal life I am very well mannered as I am supposed to be. Inside the ropes, it would be ill mannered of me to be smiling. You are meant to inspire fear, to look aggressive.
    This is why I attracted 17 million people to watch my first fight with Nigel Benn. I wasn’t saying hello to everybody, I behaved like a warrior should. You want to see smiling, go to watch a couple of comedians at the Apollo.
    You have to earn your right to be a man of the community, to be looked up to. It’s about kudos. You have to earn it. It took me seven years to earn the title 'boxer'. And it is an exalted name, a great name.
    Consistency. Practice. Knowing you have to perfect a certain move or punch. Getting in and sparring at 100% intensity at every opportunity. Going to the gym when your body, head and hands are bruised and tender, your limbs are aching or you're feeling poorly. Getting up 4am to run, no excuses.
    You have to constantly assess things to make sure you are progressing and everything is working. But it is no good being all enthusiastic and training your backside off for a few weeks, then missing a run or a workout, or going out drinking one night and having a terrible workout because of that. Every single workout counted when I trained, I didn't miss any chances and made sure I covered every angle. I was on the regime, nothing less.


    When were you at your happiest in your boxing career?
    CESR: The moment I was at my happiest in my entire life: 18th November 1990. A second after Richard Steele stopped the fight between myself and Nigel Benn. The realisation that I had honoured all of the sacrifices I had made over seven years of my life. Solitude. No friends. No girlfriend. In the gym every day. On the road every morning. Six days a week over seven years. No life. I had honoured all of that by beating him. So after the referee pulled me off of him, that was the moment for me.


    Who were your boxing heros?
    CESR: My life heros as a teenager were Bob Marley, Jesus Christ, Mohammed and Moses. Now they are my mother and my father, followed by Ghandi, Ali, Mandela and Martin Luther King, as well as the aforementioned.



    But did you have a favourite boxer?
    CESR: Dennis Cruz from the Bronx, New York was the most aesthetically pleasing fighter I've ever seen. I wanted to be able to go through my moves and dance with my feet and throw my jab all as poetically as he did. Pernell Whitaker was another guy who was poetic, but not like Dennis Cruz.
    Dennis missed his boats through a lack of discipline, and I learned from that.


    In your opinion, who is the best boxer ever to grace the ring?
    CESR: Fantasistically, Thomas Hearns would be one. Most people would say Sugar Ray Robinson, but fantasistically Thomas Hearns would have got him or anyone if he made advantage of his, well, advantages. We're talking about 10 and a half stone with the height and a reach of a superheavyweight, the hand speed of a lightweight, the power of a middleweight and the fact he had an unorthodox, brilliant jab.
    You probably couldn't have beaten this guy if he boxed correctly and kept his cool, fantasistically.


    Are you involved in the direction of the boxing careers of your two sons, Chris Jr and Sebastian?
    CESR: Am I involved? This is all I do. All I have on my mind is my children. I am the father, so it is my duty to make sure they become not just World Champions, then undisputed Champions.
    Then I must make sure they get close to, and finally surpass, my 19 successive World Championship successes. In four years’ time, Sebastian will be heavyweight champion of the world. You may say I’m odd, but I have the track record to show that the things I say hold weight.


    Who would you say was the best middleweight of your time, besides yourself?
    CESR: McCallum and Nunn were quality fighters but not like Herol Graham or Nigel Benn. Graham you couldn't hit and Benn you couldn't evade. They were unbelievable. Look what Nigel did to Iran Barkley, and what Herol did to McCallum for six rounds, before running out of fitness.

    The reason I knocked them out in the gym and ring was a matter of endurance more than talent, of concentration.


    Eddie Hearn recently admitted that some of your opponents under his father Barry, during your prime years as a super-middleweight Champion, were politely below-par. What do you think of this?
    CESR: Below the par? It's funny you say that because when I think Nigel Benn, Michael Watson, Sugarboy Malinga, Jarvis, Essett, Thornton, Giminez, Holmes, Graciano Rocchigiani, Amaral, Wharton and Collins, I think they all either won World Championships or closely challenged for World Championships before or after or before and after they engaged in combat with me.
    That's a record that I don't think any other fighter in Europe has ever had. So it's interesting that that would be said. All the other challengers I didn't mention, or most of them, were some kind of Champions and unbeaten contenders. So again, I say it's interesting for a thing like that to be said!


    How would you like to be remembered?
    CESR: As a man who didn't have ego. If a member of the public puts pressure on a boxer to fight, we step down and remain dignified. That is the mantra of the warrior. The ring is the only place we raise our fists.
    That is the only time we look menacing and fierce, the only place we stand with elegance and majesty. Outside, we are quiet. You have never found me in any illegal fights, never heard of me becoming angry with anybody. All I did was protest against the war in Iraq.
     
  2. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    non of the 3 british fighters named were better than McCallum.

    Good fighters though but the bodysnatcher is an ATG
     
  3. Flea Man

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    Nice read as always but regardless of their title records/challenges some of Eubank's defences were pretty woeful when you take into account his lacklustre showings in some of them.

    No way was McCallum sub-par compared to Benn and 'Bomber'. Benn would be an outside bet to steamroll Nunn though, pretty unlikely IMO.

    Wonder what Chris thinks of Sumbu?
     
  4. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think McCallum was better than the three mentioned too. But 'All Time Great'?

    Well for starters, he was not great 4 billion years ago, so that takes out 'all time'. But McCallum too, was a level below Boxing's Valhalla:

    An excellent fighter who perhaps missed out on some top matches as a 154lber. But when it came time for him to shine, and show himself a boxing superstar (KalambayI), he failed. He rebounded strong to put together a superb resume, but when it came to greatness he fell slightly short.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    World champion in two weight classes. Won a strap at light heavy too. Very good ledger. On film, a complete fighter.

    With all the gloved professional boxers Terence have been, McCallum should rank amongst the 100 best. So I would say he is an alltime great in terms of what that is generally considered to mean in a pugilistic sense.
     
  6. Stevie G

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    Could n't agree more,John. Eubank and Benn are in the 'very good' category,but McCallum was different class.
     
  7. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    McCallum was excellent, no doubt, I just hate the lazy term 'all-time great', being thrown about.
     
  8. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    atberry , do u agree with Eubanks about Benn & Graham better than Nunn & McCallum ?
     
  9. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    McCallum was better than Benn, Graham and Eubank. A real operator and Nunn was better than them as well. I don't remember any of the Brits queuing up to get in there with Nunn, Toney or Roy Jones.
     
  10. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Atberry is Chris Eubank.

    Surprised Chris would downgrade McCallum. Aren't they friends? And didn't McCallum train Eubank Jr to start off, I'm sure I read that Sr. set it up so his son would learn properly :think
     
  11. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nunn vs the winner of Benn/EubankII was on the cards.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    That would've been horrid viewing.
     
  13. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    atberry makes up half these interviews and quotes anyway.

    besides this whole era was filled with nothing but hipster trash.You need to go back to the early 70s to find good blue collar middles.once Valdez started getting a modicum of credit it was all over.
     
  14. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wasnt aware world championship boxing was going on 4 billion years ago. Its a turn of phrase that everyone uses and yes, i do believe him to be an ATG.
    Yes he lost, but he also beat Kalambay. The 1st Toney loss was no shame. His other losses came well above his best weight and either side of the 40yr old mark. 3 weight champ and, IMO of course, one of the best lt middles ever.

    Dont wanna get too far off the TS statement, but i do believe he was a class above the others mentioned
     
  15. TBooze

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    He was a class above Benn, Eubank and Graham, but I still believe as good as he was, he has not done enough to be considered great.