The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. turbotime

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    The big question is where is Ottke fitting? No blueprint :deal
     
  2. McGrain

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    I have Otke pencilled in at 167.
     
  3. McGrain

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    Sorry, that's my bad, should say 1067.
     
  4. Flea Man

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    Loi>Calzaghe

    As flyweights go Tunacao and Koki really aren't up to much. Flyweight lineage got tricky in the 80s, and although it evened itself out, post-Sasakul is a lot like post-Oguma (or indeed Avelar, depending on whether you think he belongs in the second list or not) where the 'lineal' title was changing hands between merely above average-to-good fighters. Like Chitalada, Pong took the title and made it his own. 24 hour weigh in's ruined the lower weights though, and Wonjongkam's era and level of comp', as well as the fact he had longer rehydration period's, something Muay Thai converts didn't used to get (they weigh in same day even now) are reasons Pong was able to sutain himself. That and a lot of truly abysmal challengers, and that's not me being 'anti modern' or anything, they just were, look at 'em.

    Naito is likely his best opponent IMO. Awkward and likeable though he was, he really isn't that good a scalp.

    Young Stribling. No love for this guy?

    Khaosai Galaxy does not belong. His title claim is one of the phoniest ever. He didn't fight the best in his division either. Think about it; Watanabe and Poontarat unify. Watanabe is stripped of the WBA. Well, look who fights it out over the next few years for the lineal, should be unified WBC title and look who Khaosai fights. Yes, Khaosai had some damn good opponents. But Roman is a more acomplished fighter over two weights, without being a physical monstrosity and cement fisted midget crusher, and while he doesn't have the aesthetic quality that Galaxy's ring record has, he clearly fought and beat the better fighters. Yes he was humbled at the end of his career but I think Khaosai would've been if he'd fought Konadu and Moon.

    I mean, why would I be trying to argue a Thai out of a high placing? I'm the guy currently uploading footage of Netrnoi Sor Vorasingh and Sot Chitalada to youtube.

    Khaosai does not belong.
     
  5. turbotime

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    :lol: Reid couldn't even touch him though.....like literally...,....wasn't allowed to touch him. That speaks volumes on Ottke's ATG'ness.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    Tszyu does not belong. Not in this field.
     
  7. McGrain

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    They're not...but ten years apart. Both are over a reigning strap-holder and one is for lineage. One is a future, as well as a reigning champ...and did I mention that they were ten years apart?

    Let me tell you - that doesn't happen much. There aren't many guys on this list capable of that type of contrary longevity over quality opposition. I'll bet that his flyweight opposition isn't that far behind Wilde, who has nothing like the longevity.

    Yes, must be in there.

    It's almost a question of its being out of my hands. What is it, 19-0 in defences of the bauble? Lost one fight, only. Domination of opposition just becomes a factor at some point and one that can't be ignored, almost regardless of the opposition. Galaxy doesn't have a tier yet, so it's not inconceivable that he'll be out of the 150 (in fact it looks like he will) but i don't imagine he will be outside of the 200.
     
  8. Mr Butt

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    Flea, loi over calzaghe is definitely a possibility but I do think you are being a bit harsh on wonjongkam and galaxy .
     
  9. Flea Man

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    Brian Mitchell was bloody good and a bit underrated, but not in this class.

    Am I mental or did Pete Herman make the top 100? 'Cause I can't see him on any of the tiers here? I am mashed though.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Tier I
    Kid McCoy, Beau Jack, Tiger Flowers, Eddie Booker, Jeff Smith, Young Stribling, Sammy Mandell, Kid Chocolate, Johnny Dundee, Sammy Agnott, Billy Graham.

    Tier II
    Bob Montgomery, Jeff Fenech, Eusebio Pedroza, Nino Benvenuti, Joe Calzaghe, Ad Wolgast, Midget Wolgast, Billy Petrolle, Ernesto Marcel, Pancho Villa

    Tier III
    Aaron Pryor, Mike Tyson, Antonio Cervantes, Joe Brown, Duilio Loi, Marcel Cerdan, Battling Battalino, Fidel LaBarbara, Sammy Fuller.

    TIER IV
    Bud Taylor, Frankie Genaro, Flash Elorde, Battling Nelson, Freddie Miller, Les Darcy, Joe Lynch, Sonny Liston, Maxie Rosenbloom.

    TIER V
    Jack Dempsey, Harry Wills, Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, Jack Johnson, Jim Jeffries, Jimmy Barry.

    Holding
    K Galaxy, Sixto Escobar, Willie Joyce, Brian Mitchell, Felix Trinidad, Yuri Arbachakov, Kostya Tszyu, Cocoa Kid, Sugar Shane Mosley, Gilberto Roman.



    Getting very full.
     
  11. McGrain

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    He did.
     
  12. turbotime

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    Flea you're aces, you said you weren't gonna **** with this anymore for the night and a tad later you're right back in :smoke
     
  13. turbotime

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    I'm on board with shaking Tszyu and Mitchell from the holding
     
  14. McGrain

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    Well holding is just that - fighters without a tier (i can't believe I have to explain this to you stoned mother****ers again), who have been mentioned. If I don't come to feel strongly about them, or someone else doesn't make a strong case, holding is where they stay until they drop off the numeric cliff, or the standard gets so low that they start to look like creeping in again.

    So they can stay in holding indefinitely without impacting the list. No reason to shake them lose, really, thanks to the miracle of copy and paste.
     
  15. McGrain

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    We got 54 names my dudes.