JMM Rank Above pacquiao By Beating Bradley?

What are you talking about. Jmm has had better competition than Pac
at 147 being that he fought the two best PFPer available to him.


FLoyd >>JMM>>PAC

 

JMM fought both and neither of the two fought each other. That counts for a lot.

 

MAG seriously, what the hell is your gripe with Marquez? You **** on him EVERY chance you get. How the **** can you even say Pac has fought everyone and Marquez hasn't when Marquez fought the lineal champ at 135 (Pac didn't) and fought Mayweather? (Pac didn't)

Don't ****ing give me shot Mosley (Pac ducked in 2009) or Clottey as examples either or I'll lose my ****.

 

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/ratings/welterweight

 

No, I don't say Marquez is not good. I think he will beat Bradley and probably would beat Garcia. Because he is not as good as Pacman or compares in resume, does not mean I am shitting on Marquez. I said 135 and up or 2008 and onward Pacman fought anyone he could. He really did. Who else should he have fought. He wanted to fight Floyd, and Floyd came up with the testing.
But Pacman fought Hatton,Delahoya,Cotto,Margarito, Clottey, Mosley, Marquez 2 times, and either time he didn't have to. Look at that resume. Compare that to Marquez who lost to Mayweather and beat Fedchenko, Katsidis, Diaz etc. How is that even comparable?
Then go back to 130 and Juan never did beat Pacman regardless of the scores, lost to John in what people will say was disputed- yet the fact that John is still undefeated says something. Marquez fought Barrera and yes he beat him when Barrera was obviously older, yet we cannot say he fought the prime Barrera or the guy who Pacman fought - Manny fought Barrera in 2003 when he was still relatively young and he fought Morales and beat him, yes once when Morales was wearing out, but he still stopped him in 3 rounds. There is no way Marquez has a resume like Manny. yet I was talking about post 135. Pre 135 he still does not have the resume of Manny. Marquez has sort of fought average guys and then made big steps and fought Mayweather and Pacman. That is why Marquez will not fight Manny again, because his claim to fame is Manny and that 4th fight knockout. Manny can keep fighting and his resume is still great regardless of that loss. I think Marquez is HOF , but I never thought he was at the level of Pacman. Same as Iran Barkley was never the level of Thomas Hearns. And if people don't want to say Manny beat Marquez at 130 because of the scoring, then the same can be said that Manny did not lose to Bradley, so why would JMM beating Bradley mean anything?
Everything JMM does is connected to Pacman, even fighting his opponents after they fight Manny. He should go and fight Garcia or Khan and add a layer Pacman never went to. That is how I would get JMM over the Pacman legacy. Fight at 140 and beat Khan,Garcia,Peterson etc. He does that and he does something special. Honestly he has a list of fighters to fight now at his weight. If he really wants to beat Manny's legacy and put a great stamp on him he has to fight the Petersons,Garcia,Khan,Matthysse etc. Manny fought that level at 147 and 154 recently after his earlier fights.

 

By the way Turbotime. Unrelated to this thread. We are like just 70 or so posts difference now. You are in the 17,000 range also. I don't know how I recognized that.

 

That's right.

All of JMM's fights at welter have been against prime pfp fighters. Now compare that to Pac's comp at that weight.:good

 

This is exactly what he means by you shitting on Marquez at every turn. Mention Fedchenko and Katsidis, yeah let's pretend he never beat Barrera before he improved on his performance in the Pac rematch or became the first to stop Casamayor or beat Salido in his prime and went on to become FW champion. Or the fact he had a size disadvantage against everyone at 135, no catch-weights.

And again, "no matter the scores"-you're ignoring the fact that a vast majority of fans have him beating Pacquiao at least twice. Many having winning 3, and some 4. The most you can have Pacman up reasonable is 2-2. And neither of the two victories is as definitive as the losses in 3 and 4. JMM beating Bradley proves he can equal (or possibly outdo) his performance against a common opponent even if Manny won like most think he did. It's a measuring stick.

How do you beat a person and not "be on their level"?

"Everything he does is related to Pacquiao" Yes cleaning out lightweight instead of fighting David Diaz the weakest titleholder, what a copycat. Oh wait.

 

I say yes. Pacquiaos career and resume is filled with asterisks, catch weights, drained and shot fighters coming off losses.

 

The thing is I just don't see Marquez beating any of the bigger guys Pacquiao beat with the exception of Hatton. I'm a pretty solid Marquez fan, but I just don't see him beating Cotto, Margarito, Clottey, or Mosley or De La Hoya. Marquez was made for the lighter weights, he only moved up to JWW in search of the Pacquiao fight. I think this fight against Bradley will show us that Marquez is truly a lightweight Who has Pacs number.

 

I call him out on him claiming "Pac fought everyone the last few years" and he brings up fights from 2003 atsch

The man is crazy.

 

Jesus Christ. Please tell me about all of Manny's high level 154 lb fights please.

 

Why didn't Marquez challenge guys like Mosley, Cotto, ODLH, Margarito, Clottey.

It's simple, he didn't think he could win against those fights.

He is a stylistic matchup for Pacquiao, but how would he have performed against those kind of guys.

I do think that the Bradley fight can help assuming he wins, but in the event he loses he will be ranked way lower than manny.

If Marquez Ko's Bradley, which I would love to see than we can talk about ATG comparisons.

 

:think harder........

He's all ways been better than him before/after pac fights.Bradley is not on Marquez level point blank.He'll get put him to sleep if fights the same way he did Ruslan.

 

2011 Mosley = Shot, coming off a draw and lopsided loss to Mayweather

2010 Margarito = Past Prime, post Mosley destruction, not even ranked at 154

2010 Clottey = Solid win no doubt

2009 Cotto = Catchweight, post Margarito and Clottey beatings, Clottey arguably beat Cotto, and Cotto also had an inept trainer that only said "Come on, Come on we can do it!!!"

Cotto to me despite all of this IMO was still a decent win because Cotto proved after the Manny fight that he still had something left and got a solid win in beating Foreman. The thing though that bothers me about the Cotto win is just how shitty Cotto was leading up to the fight. I cant ignore that and that very thing does take away some luster of the Cotto win.