The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I hope Mandell & angott stay in the top tier as its where they definitely deserve to be .

    I am surprised that I can't remember anybody mentioning ken Buchanan
     
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    I honestly can't remember he might of done
     
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    Masao Ohba probably deserves a shout if Buchanan is getting one. Like Sal' Sanchez in the respect that he died young, but still fit a full prime and career into his few years.

    Betulio, Hanagata, Chionoi, Chartvanchai, Amores, Chervet, Villacampo, Cabanela, Nakamura
     
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    There are so many names :lol: McGrain must be sitting in a dark room somewhere hoping the list goes away

    How far away are benn and eubank
     
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    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Flea as boxing news have done a top 100 fighters and fights . As its a British paper is there any chance they may do a top 100 British fighters
     
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    Behind Ohba and Buchanan surely? I would have neither in the top 200, but I guess you could make a case based on titles won in different divisions and number of defences made. I wouldn't really want to though. We still have the rest of the top ten of each division and the very greatest in the ******* divisions. Not sure Benn or Eubank would feature in the top 20 middleweights, although depending on how deep you think the super middleweight division is you might justify a place for them being how they are two of the better 168lbers. Eubank of course went right up to, by most era's standards, heavyweight.
     
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    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah I was thinking about 180+ was about the earliest for either of them . I don't think either would make top 20 middles but both for me would be top12 I guess super-middles for me anyway . But then I think most Brits get underrated a little by Brits I think it's in our nature
     
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    I think we're rating Benn and Eubank just fine.

    I wouldn't rank either of them over Kalambay.
     
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    Kalambay is certainly a cult figure I think he was very good but is a little overrated .a fight between him and the middleweight version of benn would be an interesting fight . I would definitely favour kalambay but the middleweight benn would be dangerous for the first 5 rounds .

    I don't think kalambay should make the top 150
     
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    Consider his resume if you give him what he deserves; Kalule, Barkley, McCallum, Graham, Dewitt, Collins. I'd say his performance in first McCallum fight tops Benn's over G-Man, though obviously the ebb and flow is completely different but it's a 'better' win for me. I don't think he should be top 150 either, but I'm ranking him over Benn and Eubank.

    Also above these three, and IMO arguably above Ohba and Buchanan, is Saad. M. Johnson x2, V. Johnson, Lopez x2, Kates, Mwale, Conteh x2, Parlov, Camel, Sutherland, many defences of the title, clearly a great fighter on film, if not defensively.

    And I have no idea on editorial or production choices at BN I'm afraid mate. I'd like to think they would, or '100 Greatest Champions' rather than just 100 greatest fighters...mainly because it gives me a guaranteed opportunity to make more ££££'s ;)
     
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    Yeah I'd certainly agree that kalambay's win over mccallum is better historically than benn's over G-Man but I think that benn's win over the blade is better than kalambay's . You mentioned Collins(only as a name opponent I know) he would not make a top three hundred for me . He was a nearly man that fought Eubank and especially benn at the right time .


    Saad was a great fighter :deal


    I was just thinking if boxing news were to do a top british one hundred fighters it would be good for some of the modern fans to learn a little about the likes if matt wells , joe bowker, Digger Stanley , teddy baldock , Len Harvey even perhaps harry mizler maybe
     
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    Again, such different performances it's hard to choose. Benn flat out bulldozed a better version of Barkley, but Sumbu was unfavoured and schooled Barkley over 15, IMO losing only one round, the last. I will go with you on that though. What about Dewitt?

    I agree.


    So would I mate, so would I....maybe my next project after 'The Boxers of Thailand' :D ;)
     
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    I'll take DeJesus over Buchanan if we're getting to them, even though that doesn't seem to be terribly popular. That win over Duran is monumental in the LaMotta-Robinson sense.
     
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    Tier I
    Kid McCoy, Beau Jack, Tiger Flowers, Jeff Smith, Sammy Mandell, Kid Chocolate, Johnny Dundee, Sammy Agnott, Billy Graham.

    Tier II
    Bob Montgomery, Jeff Fenech, Eusebio Pedroza, Ad Wolgast, Midget Wolgast, Benny Lynch, Billy Petrolle, Ernesto Marcel, Pancho Villa, Eddie Booker, Young Stribling.

    Tier III
    Aaron Pryor, Joe Calzaghe, Mike Tyson, Antonio Cervantes, Joe Brown, Duilio Loi, Marcel Cerdan, Fidel LaBarbara, Sammy Fuller, Nino Benvenuti, Ricardo Lopez.

    TIER IV
    Bud Taylor, Frankie Genaro, Flash Elorde, Battling Nelson, Freddie Miller, Les Darcy, Joe Lynch, Sonny Liston.

    TIER V
    Jack Dempsey, Harry Wills, Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, Jack Johnson, Jim Jeffries, Jimmy Barry, Willie Joyce, Gilberto Roman. Maxie Rosenbloom.

    Holding
    K Galaxy, Sixto Escobar, Brian Mitchell, Felix Trinidad, Yuri Arbachakov, Kostya Tszyu, Cocoa Kid, Sugar Shane Mosley, Esteban DeJesus, Matthew Sadd Muhammad, Battling Battalino.
     
  15. McGrain

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    I would go DeJesus over Buchanan.