The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They're only human. Bad day, bad plan, their opponent having a great day. There are so many excellent fighters that could beat anybody. Champions going undefeated is a rather modern phenomena; I would wager more undefeated titlist have occurred side the introduction of the four belt system than the previous 100 years combined. No one is unbeatable.
     
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  2. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If he has already been mentioned sorry


    Owen Moran

    He defeated such men as Oscar "Battling" Nelson, George Dixon, Frankie Neil, Monte Attell, George "Digger" Stanley, "Harlem" Tommy Murphy, Phil Brock, Matty Baldwin, Al Delmont, Jim Kenrick, Harry Ware; In "No Decision" contests, he bested such men as Ad Wolgast, Frankie Conley, Tommy Langdon, Danny Dougherty and "Philadelphia" Pal Moore
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No, sorry, he wasn't primed, he was just a favourite.


    The Walcott fight isn't one i've looked at, but Walcott was sure as **** on a horrible streak at that time. 1-4-4 run, and two of those draws should have been losses.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think I already went through the actuality of his record and it's pretty horrible. Still, i had better not reject him purely out of disdain for it as it relates to the top 100, when he might belong in the 150.
     
    McGrain, May 3, 2013
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  5. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Oh I rate him no doubt as well. I think he makes the next 50 bracket with little resistance. Larkin does for me as well though.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
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  7. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    When I originally made my Larkin (great name) shout I had actually posted "Larkin or Jenkins?" :lol: But I figured I'd make it easier on evryone and just concentrate on Larkin.


    Then you lured me in :!:
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Tier I
    Kid McCoy, Beau Jack, Tiger Flowers, Jeff Smith, Sammy Mandell, Kid Chocolate, Johnny Dundee, Sammy Agnott, Billy Graham.

    Tier II
    Bob Montgomery, Jeff Fenech, Ad Wolgast, Midget Wolgast, Benny Lynch, Billy Petrolle, Pancho Villa, Eddie Booker, Young Stribling.

    Tier III
    Aaron Pryor, Joe Calzaghe, Mike Tyson, Antonio Cervantes, Joe Brown, Duilio Loi, Marcel Cerdan, Fidel LaBarbara, Sammy Fuller, Nino Benvenuti, Ricardo Lopez, Ernesto Marcel,Eusebio Pedroza,

    TIER IV
    Bud Taylor, Frankie Genaro, Flash Elorde, Battling Nelson, Freddie Miller, Les Darcy, Joe Lynch, Sonny Liston, Jack Johnson.

    TIER V
    Jack Dempsey, Harry Wills, Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, Jim Jeffries, Jimmy Barry, Willie Joyce, Gilberto Roman, Ismael Laguna, Maxie Rosenbloom.

    Holding
    Sixto Escobar, Brian Mitchell, Felix Trinidad, Cocoa Kid, Sugar Shane Mosley, Esteban DeJesus, Matthew Sadd Muhammad, Battling Battalino, Baby Arzimandi, Fred Apostoli, Lew Jenkins, Jack Delaney.
     
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  9. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I do too! I think I should PM John and make him have a read. I'm sure he'd enjoy it..is he aware we're even still going?
     
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  10. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Gonna be tough. I'd be more able to tell you who doesn't deserve to be in holding just yet moreso than who deserves the next 2 spots in T. V...
     
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  11. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No fair enough I was just throwing a name in , one last name


    Billy miske
     
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  12. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Is this Patterson territory? Boxed Ears (among others) is all hardline about him being greater than guys like Trinidad and Tszyu.

    Maxim's an interesting case as well.
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well, nah, I know who i'd pick if i didn't hear a word so it's not tough for me...but i'm interested in hearing persuasive arguments, definitely.

    I probably won't be doing detailed breakdowns for these which means I won't be correcting mistakes and over/under-rating, so i'm going to take my time a bit.
     
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  14. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I threw Patterson a shout earlier....no avail. :verysad

    Deffo fair :good
     
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  15. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You guys are getting really ****ing good at these tiers. But I like Tyson, Fenech, and Marcel in a Tier above Pedroza, Pryor, Cervantes.

    Fenech was essentially a 4 division champ when it meant a little more than it does now. I admire longevity in a division but I think 4 divisions trumps it (Fenech dominated Nelson I).
    Pryor has Arguello twice, but the first fight was so devastating I don't put much credence in the 2nd, and lets face it, the first was shady. Marcel was slightly better than Pedroza. Tyson was fast, strong, had devastation in both hands, and pretty good defense. Can you make that same statement for Pryor? Pedroza? Cervantes?
     
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