The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

I don't think I would either, but I can see the argument. He does have Moore. He's greater than Tszyu for me though.

Probably not a top candidate to sneak into the top 150 though, so...yeah.

 

I know I shouldn't be hard on Tito because it's Oscar's best unofficial W and maybe his best performance (thus hurting my pro oscar agenda) but he just missed so many good fights when he was champ at 147.

After Carr in '94 he did zilch until '9****in9 all while Oscar, still useful Whitaker, Quartey, Carr, Rivera, Lopez and Page were in the division. Just sort of irks me

 

Then he kept dicking about at 154 for stay busy fights. I forget the situation but he was going to fight Norris IIRC then something happened...can't be ****ed to google it though, but yeah, didn't help his resume out much

 

Yep totally agre after all who can forget his kd exchanging fight with Kevin lueshing

I like watching Trinidad as his fights can be exciting but I don't think he is a top 150 fighter

 

Yeah Waters was the replacement I believe for Boudani....winner to fight Norris if I recall but for some reason it never came off. I think because Norris and King were having a riff about payments (surprise).

 

Sweetwater Swatter. I never get tired of repeating that name.

 

:yep Jenkins used to drink the hard stuff in the changing room before a fight and in between rounds

 

Lew is ace. Besides no Greb footage my second biggest **** off is the rarity of film from the 40s and 50s lightweights. **** me that makes me furious at least once a week :verysad

 

Also there's the story that when he lost his title he was still suffering with a neck injury that he had sustained in one of his many motorcycle/car accidents
Just simply a double hard *******

 

The boozin' doesn't surprise me at all. Commissions are so lax in boxing it's astonishing at times I can't even imagine some of the stuff that corners got away with back then.

 

Most of these guys we're discussing here were better fighters than sloprales, mab and Marquez.just sayin'.I'd probably have had those three in the bottom half of a top 100 to 200 list.Dejesus, Laguna, Buchanan would have been a superior trio of roughly same era\same division borderline greats to stick onto the end of a top 100.Mind you to balance things out i'm not sure Chang really deserved to be in the top 100 either considering his very short prime.

:yep

A few other observations.

1.Buchanan above Lynch.Neither has much longevity once they hit the top, but Buchanan beat the better fighters and has a bit more.




2.Ohba and Ebihara should be above Galaxy, Arbachakov and probably Roman(who wasn't as good as Howard Winstone, Jose Legra or Johnny Famechon) wherever they end up being rated.Not sure any are top 150.Arbachakov only had about 20 fights, declined quickly and struggled in almost every one of his title fights, Moon probably deserves a higher rating.

3.Ricardo Lopez and Calzaghe look better for a 150-200 or more placing imo.Fighters like these should be punished for not seeking out the best available opposition during prime years.Too many other fighters that have much better wins and also look excellent.

To use a brit fighter comparison, as much of a waste of talent as someone like Conteh was, i'd never consider for a moment rating Calzaghe over him.Conteh had triumphed over greater challenges by the time he went off the rails than Joe ever did.As a fighter his skillset, natural fighting mentality and versatility completely eclipses Joe.He was making moves Calzaghe would not have even dreamed of attempting.**** Calzaghe, safety-first welsh *******.

4.Galaxy has to be punished severely for managing to fight more or less none of the other top fighters from a stacked 115 era(still the only good period for the redundant division imo).Its not even a case of rating or not rating him as a talent....that is just not acceptable and who he did fight hardly makes up for it.

Might as well put Grigorian near him if he makes it.

5.Galindez deserves a top 150 place by these standards.Excellent talent, veratile,loads of defences with barely a soft touch among them.For me, fought some of the consistently strongest competition of any long-running champ of the WBA\WBC(and then IBF\WBO) alphabet era.Came up during the greatest Argie light heavy era there was, with fights into the double figures against good opposition by the time he had reached his third year as a pro.Probably had a huge **** too.

6.I'm not sure about Marcel as he retired halfway through his prime.We dont know as much about him as a lot of the others here as we never got to see him decline or have as much chance to slip up while not quite at best.He's worth a place, but more from a H2H dominated perspective which judging by the feel of the list and names presented already this doesn't really seem to be.Seems to have more of a jack of all trades feel.Lynch and Pryor can also be mentioned in this category.

7.I don't think Flash Elorde was quite that good.Reminds me of a more mobile MAB.I'd have him in the 150-200 range.

8.Did Harold Johnson make the top 100? i can't remember.If not he definitely deserves to be mentioned by now.

 

Elorde was that good IMO, in that he fought from fly to lightweight and has a win over a man ranked in the top 30 of the list. One of the greats of the ******* divisions too.

Chang was what, 30-odd fights into his career when he finally lost? Lost properly I mean because win lose or draw he gets kudos from a performance perspective in the first fight with Zapata. Considering he was fighting good fighters in his first handful of fights, continued to do so for years and with only the odd iffy performance, with plenty of footage of him looking incredible, I say 'leave him alone' :fire

I'm taking Lynch over Buchanan. Montana, Kane, Jurich, Brown, all very, very good (first one arguably great) fighters and I rank Lynch as a greater fly than I do Ken a lightweight, even taking into account 135lbs is deeper, Lynch gets the extra kudos of being the first genuine champ' in ages, when the division was still very good. Okay, he fell to bits quickly, but I give young men credit for being fully fledged greats as much as I do slow bloomers who keep themselves fit for the duration. Case by case basis innit bruh

Which has made me think; why the **** hasn't Lagune been mentioned??! He beat a far better Ortiz than Buchanan did (not hard) was ranked in two divisions before he won his title, and had a full career by the time Buchanan beat him. I'm gonna' take Laguna>Buchanan in a P4P argument even if Ken could arguably be the greater lightweight.

Oh, Laguna is another quality fighter Elorde beat by the way

Just so everyone remembers, you only rank in terms of ability displayed on film now, right?

Surprised you've singled Lynch out in that regard. Looks a monster.

 

I might be too hard on Elorde.He's certainly better than MAB.Just see something missing in him at times when i watch him.Check out the fights with Kang-il Suh.


It's likely if i ever see the full Laguna fight and maybe some others i'll change my mind a bit.

As for Laguna he was unlucky to be getting on a bit when he finally had the chance to settle into a title run.Guy was a beast.

 

Sloprales






:-(

 

One of the most overrated boxer-punchers of my lifetime.

Without his great chin he would have worse than Shozo Saijo, maybe slightly better than Mark Kaylor.