**** Mayweather v Guerrero Build-up & Prediction Thread****

My point was about the shoulder roll,and how the right hand should be there to catch the left hand, and IMO people talking about the shoulder roll being less effective against a southpaw are clutching at something they've read. and I thought 1st 2 rounds Floyd couldn't miss Ortiz, then took a bit of time off, maybe memory serves me incorrectly.
Anyway Floyd often takes a look, he did v Oscar, did v Hatton, so not always a southpaw thing.
I see absolutely nothing about Guerrero that makes me think this is even competitive,

 

If Guerrero can get Floyd to ropes like Cotto did he can be effective with his maul and brawl stuff that he did against Berto.

Guerrero's got to work the jab, he's got to vary it with speed and rhythm's and he's got to circle to his right. Stepping around and throwing with commitment and with bunches. The pace of the fight he has to set or at the very least unsettle Floyd.

Guerrero is a guy who commits to his work which i like, I think he will hurt Floyd at some point tonight.

I think he's a little slow, little open to counters and leads. I think it's going to go back and forth. Floyd's classy work vs Guerrero's choppy grinding punches.

I think this will be closer then people imagine. Guerrero does nothing special but does everything good. He's seasoned and still relatively fresh and does dig. He's got a chance but a chance that still even at this point is slim.

 

Right all I'm saying is Floyd is a super smart fighter. He knows for a fact Guerrero is gonna be looking to land that straight left, that is the danger punch. As an orthodox fighter, with Floyd's posture, that is gonna land straight down the pipe, capiche?

So, I was saying, I wouldn't be surprised if Floyd goes southpaw at some point, if not from the start. Because he likes to be able to stand side on, behind a jab and a tight defence/guard, the one punch that can touch Floyd as an orthodox, baring in mind his guard, is the very punch Guerrero will be looking to land. Which he did so against Berto. (We know Floyd is on another level compared to Berto)

So as I was saying, Floyd likes to shoulder roll on his jab arm/shoulder, so as an orthodox, he neutralizes an orthodox's predominantly best punch, the right hand, with the left shoulder he will parry the right hand and come back with the right himself. However, Guerrero as a straight southpaw, will be looking to land the left. Which will land regularly with Floyd's orthodox stance.

Wouldn't it be wise to switch southpaw against the southpaw if you are as good and as skilled as Floyd?

He could take the left hand out of the equation if he switches stance. Guerrero aint got much else or much hope if he cant land it.

Its all about angles, by Floyd fighting southpaw, it opens up the left hand counter when he shoulder rolls the left from Guerrero. :good

 

Interesting debates lads but now the fight is over I think we can see that Money Mayweather outclassed the Ghost Guerrero who in my opinion did well not to get knocked out. This was like man and boy. How the judges scored a couple of rounds for Guerrero is beyond me as I had it as a shutout with Mayweather winning every round. Reuben Guerrero the father and trainer of Roberto is a punk in m opinion. He had no clue or tactics to win the fight. May weather's defense was better than in the Cotto fight. For his last 5 fights the combination of working with his Dad Big Floyd and his Uncle Roger is key. Who is next? Perhaps Amir Khan in the UK then Canelo Alvarez next May 2014 on Cinco de Mayo followed by Sergio Martinez or Tim Bradley.

 

His father spent most of the time trashtalking and trying to make a name for himself and drinking at the bar. He let Robert down, He put unnecessary pressure on his son and it showed the occasion got to Robert at Weigh in IMO.

Haven't seen the fight but sounds like Mayweather dealt with him professionally.

 

It was a masterclass of boxing skills. Floyd hurt his right hand because he hit Guerrero head with it so often. Reuben Guerrero is not a boxing trainer in my opinion and should consider himself fortunate that Floyd Mayweather prevented his Dad from dealing with him.

 

Yeah I think the fight just showed how Mayweather is just on a different level to fighter's like Guerrero. I'm sure most people thought there was no chance of The Ghost beating him and it proved to be the case, he was outclassed.

 

I think everybody knew talent-wise that Mayweather is on a different level to Guerrero but it was the intangibles about the timing of the fight that added a bit of intrigue. I really rate Guerrero but an anywhere near peak Mayweather beats him everytime with ease.

But what I wasn't expecting was what looked like a prime Mayweather with so much fizz about him. And carrying that much energy for the whole 12 rounds of the fight whilst being so solid at the weight after such a lay off at 36?!?! Wow!!

It was an exhibition of pure skill with the level of conditioning to back it up for every second of every round. Mayweather should've been told about holding at every coming together but it wouldn't have made any difference whatsoever.

Even though Guerrero was totally outclassed you could see elements of why he is a very decent fighter, he was just in with an 'elite of the elite' kind of guy. Mayweather was doing so much moving and circling of Guerero in the first half of the fight that I was waiting for his level of movement and sharpness to drop off - but it just never dipped. In fact, from that point of view it was almost too good to be true.

 

Must have been fresh off of his cycle... I'll watch a replay of the fight this evening. Didn't see The Ghost having much of chance, looks like that's exactly what happened.

 

Yes mate utter domination by Mayweather; best I've seen him in a long time. I'd always favoured a messy UD for Mayweather but was coming round to the chance of a bit of an upset more to do with a few questions that had been flying around about Mayweather. There's no question marks about him dipping in form after that though

 

Absolutely. I think this performance puts paid to the theory that his legs have gone etc. When he sits in the pocket it's because he chooses to. He is versatile.

 

Mayweather was imperious and genius as ever, throwing all kinds of shots. Every time Guerrero got close, he tied him up, every time Guerrero threw a left, he ducked. It was just a superb masterclass once again from Mayweather. Guerrero didn't land anything of note in the entire fight, apart from 1 or 2 left uppercuts to the body in the early rounds of the fight.

I honestly thought Guerrero would bring a lot more to the table than he did and the fight itself was a bit of a dud if I'm being honest. Whether that was down to Floyd, Guerrero, or just a bit of both. I'm not sure. But I expected Guerrero to come in a lot busier than he did at the very least.

As the fight went on, IMO the more it showed he didn't deserve to be in there with Mayweather skill wise.....and even Cotto did a better job. The 8th round was utter domination and I actually scored it a 10-8 round for Mayweather. Mayweather was sublime in that round. "Hit and not get hit" in its perfect form.

The 2 rounds I scored for Guerrero were tight, and could of been a pair of 10-10's. That tells you Guerrero just didnt perform anywhere near enough. The first 2 rounds I scored a draw. The rest were all Floyd 10-9, apart from the 8th which I had 10-8. Utter dominance.

Everybody wants a piece of the cashcow, and if its evident to them during the fight that they're not gonna win the fight, they cruise till the end thinking about the $$$.

He basically tried to outbox Floyd from a distance, which was the wrong strategy to take, as he got lit up with counter right hands, screw shots and crisp wide hooks through the guard all night. Mayweather was actually the busier fighter. The fight was mainly in the centre of the ring, exactly where Floyd would of wanted the fight.

Guerrero just didnt mix it up enough, which he needed to do. He needed to be unpredictable, but chose to stay mainly central himself, following Mayweather around, walking on to shots, mesmerized by the speed and accuracy.

....and like Bunce said, I reckon even Mayweather will think that was easier than he originally thought. It really was easy work.....or did he just make it look easy. AGAIN. :yep

111-118 Mayweather. :deal

I like Guerrero, but for him to raise an arm, and his whole team to say he is the champion after the 12th. Is laughable. That was as bad if not worse than Carl Froch vs. Andre Ward. He wasn't even close and to hint at a rematch with Floyd in the post fight interview. You must be joking. You've got yo money, now move along please!

Was it disbelief? Must be. But his face dropped when they asked him if he thought Mayweather was better than he thought. The loss was written all over his face. Defeat was realized.

 

An absolutely masterful performance from Floyd. And mind you Guerrero is a tough guy.

I thought he was doing well in the first 2 rounds but then remembered that Floyd usually starts off slow to study his opponent.

The moment Guerrero started getting hit with that lead right hand and chasing Floyd around the ring in return was the moment I might as well have went to bed because I knew it'd be a UD victory

You don't beat Floyd like that. So what if he's 36, he is insanely fast, he is genetically gifted sort of like Mike Tyson.

The only place I saw Guerrero doing well was up on the ropes, like someone else said he used his dirty tactics effectively. Shame he didn't do more of it.

Mayweather's fighting style is proof that he has pretty much conquered boxing; its impossible for him to lose to an aggressive, brawler fighter like Guerrero because he knows what he's going to throw before he's even thrown it.

I have said this time and time again it is going to take an extremely unique and unconventional fighter to beat Floyd Mayweather, and right now the only person I can see who might give him a run for his money, is Canelo Alvarez.

 

No chance. Trout isn't 50% as skilled as Mayweather and I still believe he beat Saul Alvarez. Alvarez is a spiteful puncher and improving all the time, but he is only a spiteful puncher if he lands. Mayweather is a master of taking away everything you have got. Alvarez would be no different, what is so special about Alvarez compared to all the rest?

Nothing.

Mayweather UD.

He is a genius that will NEVER be beat unless we see someone of a matching talent arise and kill the king. The fact of the matter is, there is nobody around of any age, even remotely in Mayweather's league. This is the Lionel Messi, Zinedine Zidane, Ronnie O'Sullivan, Valentino Rossi, Usain Bolt, Tiger Woods, Michael Schumacher, Ayrton Senna, Michael Jordan of Boxing. Nobody comes close, there is no young up and comer ready or now able enough to beat him. Therefore he will retire undefeated. The heir to the throne has possibly not even been born yet. Talent and genius like this isn't always around, we may never see another boxer quite as skilled and complete as Floyd Mayweather, if we do, it will be in many years time. Mayweather is a pure boxer, taught the magicians tricks at such a young age. Most fighters chose to be boxers and make a conscious decision, but this genius called Floyd Mayweather Jr was born to do this. A natural if ever I saw one.

Adrien Broner is not the answer. He is not a natural.

 

People kept saying how Mayweather always gets in hos opponents heads but couldn't get to Guererro. But he got in the Dads head.