Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

Oscar's jab? I think everyone can admit Oscar was more shot than Tupac when he fought Manny.

Marquez and Mayweather are not the same. Floyd is way better and the same technical flaws that Manny has are even more exploitable with Floyd's skill set. Pac is a one handed fighter. Bradley circled to his left and completely neutralized Pac's left hand for the majority of the fight. Pac cannot cut a ring off against anyone. He reaches with punches. All of these are flaws Mayweather can exploit because of his ability to control range and timing.

 

This is always code for "I don't have specific a counter-argument, let me speak very generally to make my point."

 

The Floyd who fought Guerrero last night would have outboxed Manny. I know Floyd was still open to Guerrero's straight left hand, but I think that he would have adjusted if Guerrero had threw and landed a few, but since Guerrero wasn't throwing it, there was no reason for him to circled to the opposite of Guerrero's straight left hand.

 

Well it's just common sense. We would see it more if Manny didnt mostly fight guys with lessor hand speed and no defense. As far as who was more damaged against Cotto...

Manny>Floyd

But you're right, Manny timed Cotto's jab like in the 2nd round. But it's still a **** comparison though because Floyd was fighting in a move forward way being the aggressor. The 12th round was a clear indication that if Floyd is Floyd , nobody can handle the movement or counter punching.

 

Take your own advice. And LOL at Marquez being the only one to land the right. You forgot Morales who had a great straight right. Bradley's sloppy right. Everybody else did not throw straights. Barrera was a hooker, no pun. He did not have a long range game and he had to be in PACs wheelhouse to get off.

 

Marquez got caught repeatedly with the straight left hand against Manny before he knocked Manny out. It's not a big deal if Manny can catch/hurt Floyd with it in spurts because Floyd would still find a way to neutralize Manny's offense.

 

Cotto right was doo doo. Margarito was the slowest big name fighter of the last few years. Hatton? ODH at 147? Clottey? Not one of them have the skill or intangibles of Floyd offensively or defensively.

 

There is nothing to argue against. Your analysis is flawed by the nature of how you do it. You select all the best traits of the fighter you favor and all the worst traits of the one you don't favor. You extrapolate conclusions on 12 rounds from 3 second GIFs. It is laughably stupid and reads like Twilight fan fiction and you try to make it a fact. I could write a windbag analysis talking about "15 degree angles on the outside foot" but I don't want people to think I'm a windbag fool. You're trying to invent baseball metrics for a sport where they simply don't exist. Angles and position exist and are important, but you put far too much stock in them over other things considering that a simple side step changes them. Then you're drawing conclusions on fantasy fights with your already imaginary metrics. You don't even have to go after any argument when the entire premise of your "analysis" is so horribly flawed.

 

Morales did it by using the Marquez game-plan of getting his lead foot on the outside and then following up with a barrage of punches on the inside.

Bradley's straight right is sloppy when looped but solid when shot straight out.

 

That's not some Marquez gameplan - it's pretty typical. People always act like there's only one strategy to beat Pacquiao; the guy has lost about 6-7 times.

 

Well wtf is that way? Circling to his right?

Guerrero is no comparison to Pac in the way they set up their left straights.

Well since Guerrero wasn't throwing it we simply can't say can we? Without his lead hand he was useless.

I'm picking one key trait in southpaw-orthodox match-ups, the foot positioning. It's not a list of flaws and strengths, it's a contrast of two or three fighter's footwork in the way they set up their rear hands.

Since you're so butthurt about my "twilight fanfiction" here's a thread where I outlined everything right about what Floyd did against Guerrero:

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=475063

Tired of these idiots complaining about "complicated analyses" just because they can't read past a 3rd grade reading level. It's not rocket science and I'm not making it sound like rocket science. BBall is a Floyd fan who makes similar threads, go ***** at him. Slickstar constantly engages in conversation without failing at reading comprehension, go ask him how he manages.

 

The Morales strategy and the Marquez strategy are the only relevant ones thus far. If people want to suggest game-plans for Floyd, then go ahead. I might make that thread myself, it's perfectly feasible. But 90% of these idiot Floyd fans can't articulate it. They just ***** and moan and go "NUH UH FLOYD IS SO FAST AND SMART YOUR THREAD IS TOO LONG" :|

 

Not sure what "they" has to do with me but that's good to know. Anyway, the foot-positioning you mentioned is pretty common against southpaws. Not ike Marquez and Morales were the first to try it against Pacquiao. They just had other attributes he couldn't deal with.

 

I know they're not, but you can't just expects Manny to beat Floyd with landing the straight left hand all night. I think you're still underrating Floyd's ability to make certain adjustments. He's not Marquez and doesn't have to fight like him to beat Manny, but if he gets hit a few times with the straight left hand, then eventually he will watch out for it and his father will definitely tell him to watch out for it and makes better adjustments to offset Manny's offense.

 

I definitely think he will adjust, but he will adjust in a way that I can't put my finger on because past adjustments to the left straight (smothering) seem risky.

IMO, the best case for Manny is to win 3 or for rounds early on activity, drop him on a flash knockdown, then steal an additional few rounds late through ambush tactics. I'm not trying to argue Manny definitely wins, Floyd makes great use of circling to his right and ducking shots that way by maintaining range. I just don't see what all the fuss is about after Floyd just beat Guerrero. Robert Guerrero.