Marquez Defeating Pacquiao DOES NOT Indicate Pac Loses to Floyd- A Technical Summary

44-0, There is no blueprint.

 

Definitely, OP. People posting these pics of Pacquiao knocked out as if Mayweather did it. Mayweather is the ***** that was talking about his health and ****. The dude was scared shitless of Manny. I want to see how Manny looks against Rios/Alvarado.

 

You're going to have to rewrite this whole thing. This is written about a Roger-trained Floyd. If Floyd is trained by Sr you can see a few differences including more lateral movement and using the jab more as a weapon rather than just to score at distance. Guerrero is a big strong guy who was able to wrestle Floyd against the ropes. Byrd should have let them fight out of the clinch a bit more often last night (but Floyd is obviously going to be favored by the refs in any of his fights).

Manny isn't as strong as Guerrero in terms of being able to lean on you. I don't think I've seen Manny ever fight inside in recent years (I think the first match with that 3k battery guy before he changed his name had some Pac inside fighting iirc). Floyd was initiating the exchanges against Guerrero almost the entire fight allowing Guerrero chances to counter punch and was still winning the exchanges. Pacquiao's plan is pretty much to jump in and out and out volume you.

Looking at Pac-JMM III and the last 3 rounds of the Bradley fight. If you can time Pacquiao's first step you can back him off again and again with the right hand or even a stiff jab. It takes immense timing and accuracy but Bradley and Marquez both experienced success with it. How quickly before Floyd would figure out the same? Once he figured that out he wouldn't even be forced back to the ropes and could just box from the center like Marquez and Bradley. If you can time Pacquiao before he beats the **** out of you, you can beat him. Floyd is taller, longer, more accurate, better on defense, equally quick with his hands and about as quick with his feet. One of the most accurate punchers in history vs a guy who can be reset again and again with single well timed shots.

 

That's all it takes - distance. Pac is easy prey for Floyd because Floyd is a master at setting the range.

 

Unless Manny catches him and knock him out early, i just don't see Manny winning the win. He can't just ambush Floyd because a lot of time his offense rhythm looks very predictable and easy to offset. Mosley had no problem at offsetting Manny's offense at long range. Yeah, Guerrero isn't on Manny's level. Manny can sometimes catch his opponents with the straight left when they least expects it, but at the same time, he makes far too many tactical mistakes to dominate Floyd for 12 rounds. Sometimes he gets a bit sloppy when he's fighting at mid-range, and i can see Floyd timing and catching him with a few short sharp straight head-snapping punches.

 

Yeah, he'll be rushing into jabs instead. He can try and feint that. By round three those jabs will be rights.

 

Really? Yeah Floyd probably won't notice where his head will be as he rushes in. I mean, he can only throw the jab one way :-(

By the time Manny realizes he's running into jabs they'll be straight rights.

 

There were a few times when Mosley was in range to get him by Manny's straight left hand and he still made Manny missed a few times. I just don't see Manny winning this fight. I'd give Canelo a better chance of beating Floyd than Manny. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

I just find it hard to believe that Floyd won't be able to capitalize and makes certain adjustments against a guy who can look unpredictable sometimes, but has a very predictable offense rhythm and gets off balance constantly.

 

Of course he will. But we can all fantasize. This of course includes over-exaggerating any flaw he's ever shown (even if it was brief and later fixed..in the same round sometimes!), ignoring the opponent's flaws and then throwing in a Hail Mary or two (flash knockdown blah blah).

 

Stop. It's not that hard. All you need to do is position your left correctly once he is in range.

Stop, part two. If anything, you're the one ignoring flaws. I'm trying not to laugh here. When I point out that Floyd's jab will stop Manny's onrushes, you come back with "Sure, he'll run into some jabs but..." Dude, some jabs is ALL he needs to run in to in order to become hesitant. It's like you have to make this unlikely scenario of yours work by any means necessary. Yeah, if we highlight ALL of Floyd's mistakes, and then ignore his opponent's and create an imaginary scenario then yes he can lose. Feel free to apply this to everyone else he faces because, believe me, you can.