how does Mayweathers refusal to take the real challenges impact his legacy?

It wasn't a great feat, it was still pretty impressive above his 7th weight class. SWW champ Cotto asked to defend his belt at 150 vs that same guy. Well almost the same, Marg was coming off a total demolition and had one working eye for Cotto.

And of course Pac would fight Cotto at a regulation weight, 147 was on offer at any point. Remember Pac said SWW was too much after Marg, he'll stick to his 7th weight class. Then Cotto said, why can they offer Marg 150 and not to me, is Pac afraid of me. So they offer him 150 and he turns tail.

 

Cotto fought Marg before though. At an actual weight something Pacquiao didnt do for Cotto or Marg. Not saying he couldn't beat them the same way but with the obsession for catchweights in his career pre-Marquez III I start to wonder. He didn't look great at all in his last two fights either.

 

Look mate the point is he doesn't face people when they are at their most dangerous Cotto is a classic example of floyds career.He waits til they are in wars or look bad or get old or move weights fast etc etc there's always an angle.

 

He's got a grand total of 2 CWs he imposed on opponents, same as JMM. That's over 8 weight classes, including 6 divisional belts with no CWs, a record.

I don't see how offering Marg 147 would have been better, he was better off at 150. But is there any doubt that version of Marg at 150 beats Guerrero, or 7/10 of the current welters at least?

He never looked great vs Marquez. And while he didn't look great with Bradley, in most people's eyes it was very easy work over undefeated p4per.

 

So what about the 154lb fighters and 160lb fighters not moving up?:huh

 

Cottos highest payday was vs Floyd. Had the fight happened in 2006.2007 the fight wouldnt have got cotto that kind of payday

 

Then why move up to 154 to pad up titles? It obviously didn't do anything for legacy. After Shane, Marg was over. Only reason I give credit to Cotto in the rematch is for the much improved way he fought.

Marquez is his thorn but those fights and the Bradley one proves he doesn't look good against guys who aren't either flat footed or who dont have defense.

 

He was testing the waters. Just like vs Cotto, it was possible (even likely) he couldn't take punches from the bigger guy and would have to move back down. Turns out he could take welter, and SWW is a step too far. Still nobody has come close to 7 division, Floyd is not even a good champ in his 5th.

I don't see how Marg was over after Shane. Fighters get KOed and come back all the time. What did you see fight night that made you think he was badly diminished? I saw a guy with an iron chin, loads of stamina and will, way bigger output than any Pac opponent. He even hurt Pac worse than anyone in many years, till JMM 4. I guess Mosley took away his speed and reflexes.

I don't see how Bradley proved that. It was a wide win over a guy with top creds. On press row cards it was wider than Floyd Cotto. That's an easy win.

 

This is where people are just ****ing ******ed.

Cotto said it himself: "A Mayweather fight was NEVER DISCUSSED when he was with Bob Arum/Top Rank." Never discussed..... As in, while Bob was running around saying "Floyd is scared of Cotto," -- Cotto literally never received a single indication that they were ever interested in even attempting to negotiate that fight. But it's Floyd's fault...... Get the **** outta here....

Soon as Cotto left Top Rank, he lands a fight with Mayweather. Cut the ****ing bull****, Arum doesn't want any of his fighters near Floyd because THEY WOULD ****ING LOSE. People here are ****ing ******ed. Regurgitating bull**** they hear from every ****** without checking the facts.

 

More ******ville.


So let me get this straight: Getting knocked out, being suspended for a year, and a shitty performance against a journeyman after you come back wasn't a sign he was ****ing finished? Yea, that's such a great indiciation that he is championship material at a weight class HE HAD NEVER DONE **** IN.

******s..... The vacant belt was paid for with a suitcase full of a cash. Cash got Margarito ranked at 154. Welcome to reality.

 

Hey jackass, where do you see me saying that belt was legit? I've said many times, Pac's 8th divisional belt is a joke. But beating Marg at 150 is no joke, especially for a midget. Case in point: #1 rated SWW champ Cotto requested a 150 CW and 160 rehydration clause against a much diminished version of that guy.

Do you know of another instance of a champ requesting to defend at a CW against a divisional challenger?

 

Hey jackass, where do you see me making a comment about that? I didn't.

I was commenting on your idiotic assertion that you couldn't tell Margarito was finished. You're a ****ing moron if you couldn't see that, straight up. No, beating Margarito at 150 is **** in my view and does nothing for Pacquiao's resume. Margarito had no business being ranked anywhere in the top 10 at 154, period.

He beat a guy who has one win, against a journeyman, in his entire career at 154. And he was washed up. Grats. Such a legacy defining fight!

 

On point.

 

Weak backtracking, you were pretty insistent on Marg being undeserving of a belt. You pretty much complain about it in this post, right after the backtracking lol. So you think he should have fought him at 147, cause Marg had more credentials there? That would have made Marg a tougher opponent?

How about you skip the cliches, and just tell me what Marg failed to bring to the show, after Mosley made him shot. Went gunshy, chin cracked?

 

There are also less popular guys on Floyd's records that were highly ranked but nobody really cares about too.

Baldomir - The Ring/Lineal 147 champion, 8 year win streak, 19-0-2 coming in to the Floyd fight.
DeMarcus Corley - This guy is mentioned as a good win for Cotto, who fought him after Floyd, yet it's not mentioned as a good win for Floyd. He was a top 10 JWW.
Chavez - Top 3 SFW at the time.
C. Hernandez - One of his only 2 losses before Floyd was prime Genaro Hernandez. After the loss to Floyd, he lost years later only to a prime Erik Morales.
Gerena - Again, one of his 2 losses before Floyd was to the very underrated WBC/Lineal 130 champion Genaro Hernandez.

Relative to where he was in his career, fighting guys like Jukko and Pep were pretty huge step up fights as well.

Again, these are fighters that no one really care about. Whether they don't have a flashy record [Baldomir] or they just don't know them. But all these guys were quality fighters when Floyd fought them.