The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

he's never been schooled or koed

 

Sure, chief.

You da FACT man.

Undeniably !

















****in' idiot ! :-(

 

pure speculation. also, marquez also knocked pac down in the 3rd. So, out of 6 rounds marquez won one 10-8 and even if pac had gotten up in the 6th marquez would have won it 10-8.

besides, what makes you think that this version of pac would have koed marquez, when a prime pac knocked marquez down 3 times in 1 round couldn't?

serious question that i hope you can answer.

 

2004 was NOT prime Pacquiao at all, that Pacquiao was very unrefined without the same array of punches and movement he would later possess

 

Truth really is hard to swallow when you have a hidden agenda. :yep

18k of posts and you reply like this? Man, you're ****ed. :roll:

 

ok. so, why bdo you think pac could have koed marquez in this fight, but none of the others?

 

Had Pac not tripped, he'd take the punch and won't fall down and would have won the round also. And what makes you think that bad cut would let JMM go on for 1 or 2 full rounds with Pacquioa?

Look at Pacquioa's face on the end of their 2nd encounter and compare it to his face on the 3rd and the 4th. Now look at JMM's face on their first meeting and compare it to the 2nd, 3rd and 4th. :think

 

I've no idea whether he could have KOed him in the 4th, but it was less outlandish than JMM KOing him, and look what happened.

 

With your 83 posts and your hatchet job on JMM, you seemed hardly worth the effort of any kind of serious response.

But since you appear to crave an antidote to your delusional pish, I'll post a brief extract from another poster's assessment of the dude in placing him at #85 all time, all weight classes. And as that poster said, he's not done yet.


#85 Juan Manuel Marquez (55-6-1)

So what did Juan Manuel do to distinguish himself from Barrera and Morales? He may have spent several years chasing both but failed to get Morales into the ring with him at all, and his eventual win over Barrera, although clear, is hardly a victory over a fighter in his pomp.

The answer, of course, is Manny Pacquiao.

In many ways, Morales did the more impressive work by getting a clean win over the Filipino at or near his best, but the career arch of Juan Manuel is more complex. Squint just a little when you look at his stats and you will see a fighter with arguably only one legitimate loss, to the P4P #1 and much bigger Floyd Mayweather. The early career loss to Freddy Norwood is eminently arguable (I have it to Marquez) and the loss to Chris John has always perplexed me. Before anyone cared, it was seen as a clean win for John. As Marquez became more and more crucial to the perception of Manny Pacquiao’s legacy, it became a robbery. Then, when some kindly soul uploaded the full fight to YouTube, it became fashionable to deem it a clean win again. For me, Marquez won the fight top to tail and I can never find more than four rounds for John, so I have the Mexican winning out of sight despite the two legitimate deductions for low blows.

Another myth concerning this fight is that it is the fight that “changed Marquez’s style,” that he somehow became more aggressive behind this injustice (if injustice it was). That too is inaccurate. Marquez fought very aggressively in this very match, it was in part the reason he dominated. Nevertheless it is true that at some point between his 2004 draw with Manny Pacquiao and his 2006 loss to Chris John, Marquez seemed to accept that he was going to be hit, quite a lot. A classic counterpuncher with an instinctive understanding of range this attribute never translated on defense; Marquez is leaky. On offense, he is amongst the best of his generation, arguably the best, certainly he is the most fluid combination puncher of the last decade and this has resulted in a surprising 40 stoppages in 55 victories—all the way up to welterweight.

Perhaps this is the reason Marquez ranks higher than Barrera and Morales. He’s traveled all the way to welterweight and in one of the most stunning stoppages in recent boxing history he knocked Manny Pacquiao unconscious with a single punch. Their rivalry has been a great one and in many ways it does define Marquez despite two razor thin decision losses. For the record, I don’t feel that Pacquiao has beaten Marquez once, my cards read 3-1-0 in the Juan Manuel’s favor. The judges, of course, had a better view than I did and in the end their decision must be respected, but either way, it is Marquez that has shaken more stardust from Pacquiao than any other fighter. Taken in tandem with his longevity, devastating the #2 pound-for-pound fighter in the world nearly twenty years after his professional debut, and you can see the daylight creeping in between him and his Mexican brethren.

And he’s not done yet.

 

What are JMM's top 3 wins, Pac excluded?

 

You're lucky punch BS was already disproved, log off.

 

Barrera - you make a strong case for a Barrera win.

Diaz - After barely winning over Katsidis and losing to Campbell.

Katsidiz - after two of his latest victims are donw with him.

:-(

 

Disprove my ass Homotazo.

Deal with it.

 

John beat him and if he really thought he won, he should have asked for a rematch, but he did not. Not only did he lose to John, he also lose to Norwood. Got away with a draw against Pac when one judge scored it 115-110 for Marquez despite him down 3 times in the first round. :-(

FOught fighters off of controversial wins or losses. While both Morales and Barrera fought the best out there.

Morales > Marquez > Barrera

Deal with it.

 

Well, this is a common pac fan logic. look at the face?

I know from history that Marquez has gottten hurt worse by Pac and continued. I also know, for a fact, that Pac got Koed in the 4th fight. I also know, factually, that Marquez got his first knock down against Pac in the 3rd round. So, my logic is that if Marquez had not knocked Pac out in the 6th he would have knocked him out in the 7th or 8th. Unfortunately, there is no way we can ever know, or way can prove it. Because Pac got KTFO in the 6th.