Look let's be realistic here. Wlad/Vitali/Lewis would dominate any era of HW boxing

Of course it does, it supports my argument that a fighter giving up advantages in both height and weight, can still overcome said deficit to win :huh

So Ali lost to smaller fighters... and yet Lewis, Wlad and Vitali can't??... I don't... I don't really understand your point now...

 

But you said any era........ you are only specifically using eras where it's almost as weak or JUST as weak as this current one.

If there is one ATG that can beat Wlad.. he's not 'dominating' the era...

Tyson+Holmes+Ali + Foreman can all beat Wlad.

Wlad in the 90's would not dominate .. It's absurd to think that.

The only era Wlad can dominate is this one and the Marciano/Johnson/possibly Louis one.

And he will have to be 10x more careful against Joe Louis than against Haye.

 

Come on did you have to use Marciano as the best example considering he was 185 most times? Steve Pannell an overweight Light-heavy still dropped Wlad but lost the match, it all comes down to the skill of the fighter. Byrd wasn't troubled enough by size that he could still counter of the ropes using superior speed, there's many examples.

 

Byrd had a fight at 169 before moving almost directly to HW. And if you think Byrd was in that fight, much less "MORE than holding his own"....than it's settled....YDKSAB.

Wlad gassed against Purrity and about died from hyperglycemia against Brewster.

I agree with the premise of your argument, but the facts you argue it with are highly overstated.

As the OP defines, Ali is a once in a lifetime athlete. Certainly Ali would beat one or all of the trio. And prime Foreman would beat both Lewis and Wlad. Im sure Tyson from his first run would beat both Wlad and Lewis as well, and Holmes could win a decision over any of the 3.

Styles have always made fights, and H2H the K2 and Lewis are top 5 ATGs.:deal

 

I see Louis-Wlad as 60/40 in favour of Wlad. But if Louis hurts him then it's over, he's a lethal finisher and Wlad still panics when hurt or put under any distress.

 

No you are right in the last line (at least regarding the big part)

But that's not how dominating an era works. Wlad would have had to go through a ****ing gauntlet in the 90's.... that much punishment would have taken it's toll. Take Lewis out of the 90's .

and Wlad would still have had to go through
Bowe-Elite Tyson-Holyfield-Tua-Ike-Ruddock-Tucker-Golota
can he beat them all prime for prime? Yes

but that's not how it works. to dominate an era.. he have to beat them all ONE AFTER THE OTHER. By the time he even gets to Ike in the late 90's.. his body will be utterly shot..

We looking at a trilogy against 6'5 Bowe ...... and possible a back to back against Holyfield.. Wlad isn't dominating......

 

Regardless of whether you agree with the examples of my point or not, you've still conceded to it though. Tyson, Holmes and Ali are all smaller fighters in both height and weight, and yet according to you they can overcome that deficit due to a relatively small disparity in skill.

 

Consdering Wlad & Vitali are both in the same era (but havent fought) it's hard to say, as only one fighter can dominate

 

This argument is stupid anyway, we can't say for sure what would happen unless a time machine is invented in the not to distant future. So it's all just conjecture :conf

 

Sullivan beats Wlad and Vitali loses to Lennox
Corbett beats Wlad loses to V/L
Jeffries beats all 3
Johnson beats all 3
Dempsey beats W/V loses to L
Tunney beats W/V loses to L
Louis beats all 3 maybe draws with L
Marciano beats all 3
Liston beats all 3
Ali beats all 3
Frazier beats W/V loses to L
Foreman beats all 3
Holmes beats W/V loses to L
Tyson beats all 3 maybe loses to L
Holyfield beats all 3

Lennox reigns here and even though past it,not interested in the fight still bashes Vitali and end of the last classy boxers. Only times Vitali attended this sort of class he got cut...literally

 

Size is all good but size counts for nothing is the other fight can take your punches?? Then it becomes a battle of will and stamina and the oldies have too much dog in them.