The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

Fine.

Now try and answer the points on post 265.

 

What doesn't make sense to me is Manny doing it now, when his team and promoter and him were so adamant at not doing it back then for a variety of health issues....so they found a cure now?

Honestly I don't think it had anything to do with him needing a cutoff to benefit him or that he was on anything. I legitimately think his promoter or advisor kept him from fighting Floyd because they didn't want the fight for him. Only logical reason.

 

you didnt make any points all im seeing are a bunch of made up scenarios that YOU believe

 

They're not made up.

They're logical.

I'm trying to get to the bottom of it, and I'm looking from different angles.

I'm now looking at things from the point of view, that Manny had something to hide by asking for the cut off days, and he needed a window.

I'm being hypothetical.

So you tell me.

If you don't agree, I respect that, but tell me why?

If Floyd had've said "Ok Manny, I'll give you a 21 day cut off." then break it down.


He couldn't have done anything through weeks 1-6.

Yes or no?

That gives him a 3 week window.

It'd be pretty stupid to risk doing anything in week 9, because he offered to be tested straight after the fight.

That means he could only have taken something between week 6-8.

Yes or no?

The above is a realistic scenario.

IF Manny WAS GUILTY, and he needed the window, then how would it have benefited him?

How would taking PEDS for 2 weeks out of 9, benefit him in anyway?

Please give me your honest opinion.

 

This is false. Mayweather's camp used the Hatton 24 day cut off window in order to show that Manny was able to test within 30 days and not be effected by testing which Manny claimed. They didn't offer 14 days though until the mediation. They at first stated that Pac tested vs Hatton within 14 days to show that Pac would not be effected by blood testing, but it was proven to be 24 days when he got test. Mayweather offered 14 days for the first time during the mediation which is why Arum lied about 14 days ever being offered. If 14 days was offered before the mediation then Arum wouldn't feel the need to lie and say 14 days was never offered since it would have been common knowledge by that time.

 

You don't need an opinion. Manny and his team agreed to do testing from the very start. That is all Floyd asked for and Manny and his team agreed. Then they backed out of that agreement for whatever reason we don't know about.

Floyd gave Manny who himself said he just doesn't want to test the day of the fight a 2 week window with no more testing and Manny walked away. Nothing more to discuss. Then his team all had different stories after that. Arum saying Manny agreed, then saying after Floyd said no more cut offs that Manny agreed to 14 days, then Koncz said something different. Then Roach saying **** Floyd that they will take the commission test etc.

He even had the opportunity to take the test going into the 4th fight with Marqeuz and didn't. Now that he has been knocked out his team was screaming PED usage and ****.

 

He is going to just keep saying the same made up crap over and over again until he has the last word. There is no point in talking with him.

 

turbotime,

I swear that in my honest opinion, they just did it to spite Floyd. They both have huge ego's. Manny was accused of cheating, he had to sue for defamation of character, and I think he came back with the cut off days, not to hide anything, but just to say to Floyd, if we're going to make this fight, it's not just going to be on your terms.

That is my honest opinion.

I think he's open to it now, not because he's not taking anything anymore, but because he's not being dictated to by a guy who's whole family were labelling him as a cheat.

I always respect your opinion, you know that.

The only logical reason I can come up with, is what I've just typed.

Now after Manny finally gave in with the testing demands, you would have assumed that Floyd would have thought "Finally! Now I'm gonna kick his ass."

The testing issue was supposed to be the BIGGEST stumbling block in the fight not taking place.

But when Manny took that out of the equation, the fight was still never made.

Now how serious was Floyd in making the fight, when he DEMANDED the ENTIRE PPV revenue, from a fight that would have realistically smashed the $120m grossed by his own fight with Oscar from 2007?

Floyd's actions there, tell me that he'd never have been happy, even if Manny had've instantly agreed to everything straight away.

That again is my honest opinion.

I think Floyd would always have had an issue with something.

 

It's a hypothetical scenario.

A realistic one, that's open for anyone to debate.

All you are saying to me by not answering it, is that YOU CAN'T!

 

The only reason that came straight from Manny was that giving blood weakened him. He didn't like when he had to do it on fight night against morales, so he didnt want in in the final 2 week of preparation for the fight.

But any other time was fine and right after was fine.

What you have to realise is, this is the 1st time in the history that any one had asked such a thing.

So whilst it doesnt seem strange now because more and more fights do it, at the time, this was the 1st fight in the history of boxing where one fighter said to another, i'll only fight you if you do olympic style testing.

 

there wasn't a variety of health issues. He just said it weakened him.

 

If he didn't need a cutoff then why was he wasting everyone's time? To be a ***** and not give in?

 

and that Floyd was too big
and that needles hurt the arms

 

You think Floyd would always have had an issue with something is wrong. The fact of the matter is Floyd agreed to what Manny wanted. Period. He agreed to 50/50 when everyone thought Mayweather would play hard ball over the money and he didn't. Floyd agreed to the gloves, ring size, and weight penalty clause of 10 ****ing million dollars. Then he asked for something that he would be doing also and team Pac agreed and then pulled out and started playing games.

Then Manny's team let him down. Everyone from Koncz, Roach, Arum, and Khan had something to say. Manny scared of needles, Manny needs 3 days to rest after getting blood drawn, Manny lost to Morales bc of blood but in the ring post fight he blamed the gloves. Arum saying they just keep poking and poking and Manny's arm could ****ing fall off.

 

Honestly I would believe that Manny did it JUST to spite Floyd, but he admitted on Kimmel that was not the case.

Kimmell actually lobbed the softball excuse up for Manny to knock it out of the park and Manny said NO and then gave the blood excuses :nut :nut What the hell were you thinking Manny.

The one stopping the fight was Arum, it always has been, always will be. Pac actually may have been fine with blood testing, for all we know, he was.

But Arum hates Mayweather and Delahoya, we all know this. Pac should've bought out of his contract for the fight like Floyd did to fight De la Hoya