Was Martinez not on Ped's for Murray fight?

Lets disregard the fact that style make fights. Lets also disregard that Murray basically perfected the style that Barker used on Martinez which in turn made him look like ****. While we are at it lets also blame Floyd because he didn't look good against Cotto but he did so against Guerrero, so Floyd was problaby off PED's on that fight for Cotto too. Marquez must be on PED's every time he fights Pac because he looks spectacular and even KO Pac which not even bigger men like ODLH, Margarito and Cotto were able to do but must be off when he fights someone else. I am sure Marquez was off PED's, based on your observation, for the Chris John fight. Donaire was Knocking Out people left and right, so he was problaby on PED's but off when he fought Rigondeaux.

Good observation, champ!

 

One thing Martinez is on is his 38th year. Oh, another thing is his second knee injury. Those things make a difference.

 

:hey

 

Sergio doesn't use that stuff. Of all the guys to suspect, he's not one.

 

38

just had surgery


yea that had nothing to do with it at all

 

He had knee surgery,have you ever thrown a punch?if so you'd know you need your knees for good power

 

We saw tonight what a broken hand can do to some guys.

Martinez however battled through it and actually won the later rounds.

 

**** no. Sorry, not because of morality or the 'purity' of the sport, though those are important.

It'd be like opening the ****ing floodgates for the next generation of young fighters to ****ing ruin their health, for every one prospect with decent advice and info there'd be 10 wannabes jacking up whatever they could get hold of to try and make the big time. Yeah, of course it's already pretty ubiquitous, but at least the PED rules limit it and force people to take a degree of care.

Peoples ****ing health man! Don't even go there.... you got kids? You'd want them to be involved in sports where doping was actually promoted ? cos that's what you're talking about...How old before they start getting encouraged to juice up? 8 ? 10 ?

Don't even get me started on sharing needles and injection hygiene...It's bad enough in the UK where you can pick up needles for free, what do think it'll by like at a colonia or favala gym.?

(Rant over)

PS you wanna watch The Mutant whale on Ivan Drago, theres always UFC...

 

What part of his left hand was broken didn't you understand??

 

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. Is now known as Shang Tsung.

 

This..... couldn't have put it better - OP you actually gonna blame every fighters off night on a bad batch, or just the ones you think are just a bit too good usually? Yeah there's doping everywhere in boxing, but making specific allegations based on one performance is pretty futile...

If I had to suggest, I'd bring in frequent mandatory random testing alongside every title fight license granted and enforce it...you can't police the whole sport, but at least it'd send a message and hopefully make the top fights a bit cleaner. You might get the shot with PEDs but it'd be harder to rely on them on your big night....

 

He is the same technically/fundamentally flawed athletic ambush style fighter he always was

 

I'm not going re-iterate my points, if you think making out that juicing's OK would lead to better control of its use, and think that anyone would stick to age limits, I think you're being naive. When I say health, I'm not talking about sports injuries or even the possibility of head injuries, I'm talking about messing with the bodies hormonal balance which can have drastic effects especially on the young, not least of which is infertility. The full consequences of prolonged PED use are still not fully understood even for the older drugs, not to mention that new PEDs are constantly being developed - and I've already mentioned the other heath issues involved.

You want to encourage people to run the risk of major illness and medical complications later in life, just so's we don't have to argue about which boxers are using PEDs? You can see that's just plain wrong - can't you?

That said I do agree and take the point that education, clean syringes etc are vital, and absolutely am not saying that PED use should be Criminal, though contamination and purity of supply should be regulated....****, I need to take a breath.....just that it should be very activly discouraged at the highest level.

Anyways I really should start a new thread it's obviously something I've got strong feelings about.

Final point though, do you really want ESB to turn into a forum for comparing who's using the best PEDs or who has the best pharmacologist instead of who is the best boxer?