I had an ominous feeling for Burns tonight

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  1. chriswrench

    chriswrench Active Member Full Member

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    I think it's crazy how this became a learning fight for the champion rather than the challenger.
     
  2. DaveyboyEssexUK

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    Interesting point i kinda see it as a bit of both Yes Ricky was getting out boxed, then Gonzalez got over confident and thought after hitting Burns bigtime in the 7th he`ll finish him off which was very niave on his part.

    Ricky took what Gonzalez had to give but fought back like a champ and catched Gonzalez on the inside and shook him, from then on i noted his legs were like rubber and his work rate had dropped, what were the factors here?

    Gonzalez : oh **** hes took my best and hes still there thats not meant to happen to me says his ego ouch! Mentally cracking

    Burnt himself out due to over confidence and had to take some good replies from Burns especially one on the inside, legs turning to gel

    Lack of workrate , exhausted aswell as possible wrist or hand injury

    Now quitting on his stool: this was a world title fight his dream come true yet he didnt have the will to continue, ok even if he lost next 3 rds he could have got a draw or maybe a tight win but he quit to me that shows the guy was mentally broke.

    Burns should get some credit cos he took some cracking punches and showed hes got a great chin, but he kept on trying and fought back like a champ which mentally got at Gonzalez plus Rickys experience in going the distance helped out.

    Gonzalez was his own worst enemy but if it were someone else he may have finished them off in the 7th but no he was fighting a World champ and thats why it all went wrong

    Burns fought badly maybe it was Gonzalez skill set or maybe Ricky felt he had to show he was the champ and make a point seeing as it was his first fight with Matchroom and didnt want to bore the fans with a long boring technical fight of which Gonzalez style demands
     
  3. dftaylor

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    He didn't just get tired on his own. He made poor decisions because of the man in front of him. That's the same as Froch-Taylor, when Taylor had Carl's number from beginning until end and all that saved Carl was that he was the better professional. He stayed the course better than the other man.

    Ricky did manage to figure Gonzalez out by forcing him to quit. If Gonzalez was so comfortable with what he was doing, he didn't have long to survive. Get on his bike, keep slipping shots, pop that jab from the southpaw stance.

    Anything else is just an alibi. Ricky deserves credit for pulling it out. Gonzalez deserves credit for a great job.
     
  4. craney91

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    Believe it or not mate some sportsmen like to win in style and not just "win"

    Sometimes a win feels like a loss for some, if they didnt feel they were getting anything out of it by "winning".

    Just look at Ronnie O'Sullivan for instance, perfect example. Its all about winning in style and playing to a 100%. If these sportsmen cant achieve that, they'd rather lose. Losing doesn't mean **** to them. They can accept it and the critics that go with it. They are not fazed by losing, they are not bad losers, its not always about winning either, its about enjoying it the best you can and giving it your all. Even if Gonzalez was winning the fight, if he feels he cant give his best till the end, then thats a defeat in itself, even if he went on to win the fight. People must realize, not everybody is the same mentally. If you want an example of that then look at Ricky Burns last night, who mentally, was the complete opposite of Jose Gonzalez.

    Its madness, but if Gonzalez felt he couldn't repeat what he did in the first 6-7 rounds and fight to 100%, its possible thats why he pulled out. I'm not making excuses for the man (it probably sounds like that) and he was obviously tired, due to his output and Ricky's workrate.

    But I'm just saying, not every sportsmen is the same mentally. I have to say for myself, I'd rather win in style at sport, football, pool, darts, anything I play, than win for winnings sake. Winning is boring. If you cant get any joy out of it and don't feel like you are playing to the best of your ability, I'd rather pull out to. Thats just how I am mentally. Cuss me for it all you like, but I unlike some can understand Jose Gonzalez.

    He will be followed by the "quitter" critics for the rest of his life. It might not bother him at all though. You dont have to care about what people think, the only time you have to care is when people know.

    I'm not defending the man or making excuses, I am just trying to understand why that happened last night. This wasn't Devon Alexander way behind and complaining of butts from Tim Bradley and then quitting. This wasn't Miguel Cotto getting a savage beating from the cheat Antonio Margarito and then quitting. This was a fighter in the lead, pulling out. A bit like a pacemaker in a marathon.
     
  5. dftaylor

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    Of all the weird, insane garbage you've written, this is very close to the weirdest and most insane.
     
  6. craney91

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    Read it again then. :good
     
  7. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    Oh, I enjoyed it, but it's still utter knob.
     
  8. phonk

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    :rofl
     
  9. craney91

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    I'm speaking from experience from playing sport myself. Believe it or not, not everybody is afraid of losing, the feeling of loss, or the critics that come with it, nor a bad loser. Sport is not just played to win, it is played for fun, enjoyment, satisfaction. If some sportsmen dont feel like they are getting that EVEN IF they are winning, they'd rather pull out. Playing sport is basically a drug, if you're not getting a high, its not worth playing (for some). Not everybody is the same mentally, this is just basic sports psychology.

    If Jose Gonzalez didnt feel he could give 100% like in the rest of the fight, and everybody could see the gap in class for 7-8 rounds when he was 100%, he'd rather raise his opponents hand and not finish the fight. He will get battered with that for the rest of his career by the "warrior" masses. But I can understand Jose Gonzalez. The "injury" would of just made him sit and think about it more, and that was it. Ricky Burns upped the workrate, yes, Gonzalez slowed down, yes.

    It was a very weird fight man, but deep down there is an explanation. Its not as simple as "Ricky broke his heart"

    I wish it was.... :lol:
     
  10. MarvellousMerv

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    Why do you have to do this weird credit bollocks? Why can't you just say what you obvserve without a pro-Burns agenda? It's ****ing bizarre!

    Ricky forced nothing and in no way "figured Gonzalez out", you're embarassing yourself by saying that. Like I said before at the end of the fight Ricky was no more knowledgeable about Gonzalez than he was in round 1. Gonzalez gassed himself by not being in proper condition and making bad choices in round 7. He obviously has a stamina problem and when he quit his legs were gone, he couldn't move and was fading badly. Why do you think his corner were furiously working on his legs in between rounds? Was that psychological limb damage from Ricky Burns?

    Gonzalez lost the fight because he punched himself out. Ricky Burns won the fight because his opponent gassed himself out. It really is that simple.

    Denying this is possibly the worst thing Team Burns could do in terms of Ricky's career.
     
  11. billy nelson

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    He did find the way to beat him he stayed with him and broke him, that's what it's all about pal.
    Gonzalez was better than any of our team thought and big credit to him
     
  12. craney91

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    Rule 1 of analysis: Take the tinted glasses of, then comment.

    I like Ricky Burns and I'm glad he got the victory. But I wont comment on the fight as a Ricky Burns or Jose Gonzalez fan. I'll say it how it is, and you've done exactly that mate.

    Great post. :good
     
  13. rossco666

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    Gonalez was class. I hold my hand up and admit i underestimated him because of his record. I predicted Gonzalez would crumble because he wasn't used to fighters taking his shots and hitting back, and i think thats exactly what happend. He should have beat Burns he was miles ahead. Even if he did break his hand he could have still fought on like lots of fighters do. Gonzalez just didn't have the heart of a champion.
     
  14. craney91

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    :good
     
  15. billy nelson

    billy nelson the fighting scots gym Full Member

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    what sport do you play Craney table tennis you don't half spout some **** mate