My Personal 25 Greatest of all times List.

an excellent fighter.No reason why he couldn't be rated highly.

 

i've come around to thinking Hearns could very tough for Carlos.

i'd probably pick him to lose late more often than not, but Monzon's style and brand of generalship don't sute containing Hearns imo.

That handspeed advantage and equality of range with Hearns workrate against Monzon taking it easy early could easily see Tommy map him and do enough to avoid Monzon's usually circa 5th round step-up, which is a crank up in the workrate and facillitated by his range advantage allowing htat great boxing brain to dial in the distance for the one-twos.But against the monster 1-2 and early rounds savagery of Hearns i can't help but wonder if he'll end up more cautious and struggling to control range as usual, thus allowing hearns to settle in and make things very tough.

Hearns defence probably costs him in the end and his stamina as they clinch more and he gets roughed up a bit, but nobody who tries to take Tommy on with a methodical one-two approach is going to have an easy time imo.

 

Morales was aces. Stop it :-(

 

And knowing what we know about these ATGs its very hard for me to watch a guy like Holyfield who looked wonderful vs Tyson, knowing he looked dreadful in the Moorer bout. Hearns looking great against Cuevas then losing to Barkley.

Same with Lopez against Alvarez, then watching the Alvarez vs Mendoza bouts, etc.

Too much connection to just eliminate everything else.

 

cup my balls.

 

What about Tommy's right though.It'll be landing a lot moremore frequently than Valdez or tonna (the big right hand bangers)ever managed, especially early.

Leaning back against it won't work well.I suspect carlos can take enough of it...but i woudn't be shocked to see him a bit too worn from early-mid rounds punishment to do his usual effortless cranking of the gears and having to gut out a tough win.

imo it's an interesting stylistic fight not often discussed, due to assumption Hearns would just get steamrolled like Hagler did.Something i've thought in the past as well.

 

:verysad

 

Every all-time rating is also an all-time pound-for-pound rating. The flyweight greatest of all-time is the flyweight of all-time pound-for-pound. The greatest heavyweight of all-time is the greatest heavyweight pound-for-pound.

If you don't think that your all-time greatest lightweight or welterweight belongs in your all-time pound-for-pound top eight or top ten, then IMO you don't have the correct fighter as your top 135 or 147 lber.

You want to rate the all-time top 100? Rate your eight traditional weight top tens, then use that as the basis of your ten top eights pound-for-pound. If you think a fighter doesn't belong at a certain P4P level, then you should re-evaluate his original rating.

Balance out the rest of your top 10-20-100 with the best junior weight titleholders (Gomez, Chang, etc.) and the best fighters who never held a title (Langford, Burley)...

 

Eight heavyweights in your top 25?

Charles W10 Moore
Charles W10 Moore
Charles KO8 Moore

When was Mayweather's heart and chin ever been tested to prove he's at an all-time level? It's the last missing piece of the puzzle...

 

Nunn KO1 Kalambay

 

like most, u now nasing ebawt de mining of p4p

 

Post 1950 middleweight champions who i rate higher in this sort of peak\prime ability list as compared to super-bantam\ Featherweight borderline-great Erik Morales.


Jake Lamotta
Sugar Ray Robinson
Gene Fullmer
Carmen Basilio(albeit thinking more of the welter one)
Dick Tiger
Joey Giardello
Emile Griffith
Nino Benvenuti
Carlos Monzon
Rodrigo Valdez
Marvin Hagler
Thomas Hearns
Sumbu Kalambay
Mike McCallum
Michael Nunn
James Toney
Roy Jones jr
Bernard Hopkins

Fighters i'd need to think hard about in rating over\under, but who would possibly be in the same region of a list or that i consider on about the same level.

Bobo Olson
Julian Jackson
Gerald McG-man
Felix Trinidad(more for welter version)



The rest i rate lower overall, though some like Benn, Eubank, Reggie Johnson only marginally.



Some contenders like Joey Archer, George Benteon and Herol Graham would rank higher or on roughly the same level as well.

 

Could you put that in English?