John L Sullivan gets a pass on the color line. In this case, yes

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  1. Mendoza

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    I read today that Sullivan had a chance to meet to meet George Godfrey in 1881. The fight was scheduled, however the authorities at the time prevented the match as boxing was illegal in the state.


    Is this correct? If so, perhaps the color line did not come into play in 1881 even though Godfrey himself won the colored champion in 1881. While I think Sullivan avoided a match with Jackson and Slavin, you could say he was willing to meet Godfrey.


    In my estimation Godfrey would have been the 3rd, 4th, or 5th best fighter Sullivan meet behind Corbett, and Kirain . Godfrey for his part was about 5’10” 170 pounds and holds wins over Maher, Smith, and O’Donnell. Does anyone have information on the purses, and why the match wasn’t moved to a different state?
     
  2. janitor

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    Godfrey would have made a good adition to Sullivan's resume, but I don't think he is exactly a Harry Wills figure for the era.

    Another fight that the police cheted us out of, was Sullivan Fitzsimmons.
     
  3. mattdonnellon

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    Gopdfrey was good, he beat Denver Ed Smith, Joe Lannon, Patsy Cardiff and Jack Ashton, all top ten'ish guys at the time. He drew with O'Donnell but was KO'ed by Maher when past his prime. Also lost after good struggles to Jackson, Kilrain and Choynski. A top gatekeeper of the era, a la Chuvalo.
     
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    Tell us more.....
     
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  5. fists of fury

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    Beat me to it.
     
  6. janitor

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    Sullivan was due to fight Bob Fitzsimmons on July 5 1897, but the police intervened to prevent it.

    Sullivan would obviously have been a shell, and would almost certainly have lost.

    This fight probably would not have told us much about Sullivan or Fitzsimmons, but it would have told us a bit about Corbett.
     
  7. Mendoza

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    There was some talk of a Sullivan vs Jeffries fight in 1900-1901. If it happened, it would have been over quickly and likely filmed.
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    It was Australians he avoided.
     
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  9. Boilermaker

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    I dont know if you could say Sullivan would have almost certainly lost. He maintained that punchers chance. Fitz was a lot easier to hit than corbett and sullivan could still hit as shown years later in the mccormack fight.

    Iget the feeling this would have ended up a staged 4 rnd draw. If it was all in, what do you think a Sullivan KO would tell us about him.
     
  10. janitor

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    I suspect that Sullivans reflexes would have slowed, and Fitz would have just picked him apart.

    If I am wrong and Sullivan wins, then it ends any question of whether he or Jeffries was better prime for prime, and Corbetts stock goes through the roof.

    If Sullivan looses but makes it competitive, then again you would have to wonder what he does to these guys in his prime.
     
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  12. WABCBoxer

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    That era (1880's) barely qualifies as boxing imo. It was more like organized street fist-fighting.
     
  13. janitor

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    Depends what you mean.

    It was a chaotic period, when the sport was in transition from illegal bareknuckle fighting to legal gloved fighting, and the direction that it would take was uncertain.

    That should not in any way detract from the profesionalism of the men who built their careers under these difficult circumstances though.