When its all said and done Oscar de La Hoya will rank higher than Floyd Mayweather Jr

Oh, I'm sorry, did you have him ranked elsewhere?

 

You didn't address anything I said, and only pulled out sound bites essentially.

Miguel Cotto admitted his comments were for show. Bob Arum never discussed a fight with Mayweather with him, ever. Cotto said this publicly after his fight with Floyd.

Williams in 2010? Really dude? When he had been fighting at 154+ for years and fought at 160 that year? Yea...........

Again with Margarito......I already told you there is an ESPN article quoting Bob Arum as the reason why Mayweather didn't fight Margarito. He said it himself. Mayweather wanted Margarito, Hatton, Cotto, and Oscar. Arum didn't want to make the Oscar fight and let Mayweather walk. The rest is history. You fail to acknowledge the facts here and instead continue to rant about baseless information from the stupid ass idiots on the Internet who spread bull****.

Again, nothing but sound bites from you.

Do you really want video of Mayweather calling out Mosley? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEHF5HX6Jb0 (2005)

Like I said, the facts are there for people who actually want to dig a little deeper instead of just regurgitating nonsense from other people on the Internet.

 

How can you doubt such a thing? Steviebruno IS the face of boxing, Mr HBO himself.

 

It's one thing to call them out and it's another thing to follow through with it.
Either way, the fact is there were many that wanted the fight...Williams, Forrest, Pacquiao, Margarito but the fate was such that Floyd will take fights against Baldomir and the likes. GOAT.

 

Who says they didn't want any of Floyd? Your bias is so ****ing obvious it is hilarious.

Why don't you put it on the other guys to "answer the call out?" Exactly, because you see everything as Mayweather's fault. This guy has been calling out the top guys since he was at 130 pounds. People are being ****ing ******ed bringing up names like Freitas, Casamayor, Margarito, Hamed, and whatever other name they pull out of a hat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhIB8be86w4 -- Floyd has been calling out names for years. All of them.

Mayweather was the fighter who was ducked. The fact people blame him is ******ed: THEY DUCKED HIM, not the other way around.


Vernon Forrest now? WTF?!??!?!?!?

 

I'm not going to take this thread seriously if people aren't going to be honest with themselves. It's okay to say that Oscar has the better names on his resume; that's obvious.

But just about everyone here would concede that Floyd is ranked higher as an ATG and would probably say just as much if the thread's concept wasn't to juxtapose Floyd and Oscar.

If the thread was merely "rank the ATG fighters", Floyd would be ahead of Oscar and overwhelmingly so. There's a reason why I can't get an answer to the one question I asked in this thread, and that is it.

 

My bias is not so ****ing obvious, I don't doubt that Mayweather was an absolute beast at 130lbs. I created a case on ESB where I tried to rationalise why Mayweather is the greatest super featherweight of all time.
He's one of my all time favourite fighters ever.

Holy **** haha, I forgot to add Casamayor to the list.
Hamed was too small.
Yes, I know Mayweather has been calling them out particularly when he was up and coming, but post-Castillo is where he ****ed up all the way up to Hatton, and taking fights for paydays, you just can't justify that ****.

Yes, Vernon Forrest. The man that would have DEFINITELY beaten him.

Taking the fight against Guerrero, Khan, Alexander won't do anything for him either, just will add to his longevity points which Floyd lovers will masturbate about too much.

 

Again, no details or substance with your post. You just "throw out an idea about Mayweather ducking fights for paydays" and that's that. You have no factual information to base your comment on other than pulling names out of a hat.

It's stupid. People just look at "names in his weight class" for the respective year(s) and if they were any good "Floyd ducked them." It's so ******ed.

Besides the fact Mayweather was managed by Top Rank until after his fight with Judah. Yet AGAIN, Mayweather is at fault for those fights not happening, even though he'd been calling out the top guys since he was at 130 pounds. Stupid.....

 

Yea, let's just add Vernon Forrest to the names of "Mayweather ducked him" list............. ******ed.

 

pbf missed some fights at ww unfortunatly but he is ranked higher p4p. not taking big fights isnt as bad as losing your big fights, gotta beat whose in front of you

 

It means if Oscar had beat every fighter he ever fought, we would be comparing him with Robinson, and Floyd wouldn't be in the discussion.. Floyd has beat every fighter he has fought, but it just doesn't stack up with Oscar's level of competition by a long shot.. Oscar dared to be a lot greater than Mayweahter, but he came up short.

Get it?:good

 

Montero,

Floyd's accomplishments are Cotto, Castillo, Hatton, Corrales, Marquez. Everyone else is just easy work like Baldomir or Manfredy...in an ATG ranking conversation, they are who we will call 'easy work'.

As I said earlier, in terms of ATG rankings, you'd rank a fighter higher if he had better wins.
To make it easier to understand...imagine the situation is switched:

Look at Floyd Mayweather's two wins:
W Whitaker - very even fight
W Trinidad - 35-0 (30KO)

Look at Oscar De La Hoya's wins:
W Corrales
W Castillo
W Hatton
W Genaro

= Which is the more elite resume? It's pretty ****ing obvious lol

 

Corrales is WAYYY higher than a Vargas win and slightly higher than a Quartey win. But given Floyd's performance against Corrales (as opposed to Oscar's against Quartey), the win is much more significant.