Lennox Lewis VS Joe Louis

This is pure speculation, what are you even basing this on??

 

Louis would not of been walked down by Rahman.

 

That part I can pretty much agree on. It certainly wasn't Lewis finest moment. But then again one does thing we're discussing both fighters at their best, not at their worst.

 

Louis fought more world class fighters than any other champion in history, including every size shape and style of fighter imaginable, and nobody ever managed to take him out with a single punch. It was only ever done after sustained beatdowsn from elite punchers.

Whatever his chin is or isn't capable of, we have seen it.

 

I got lewis all day really.. just don't see Joe pulling this one off.

 

Start naming fighters who hit Louis with the same type of punch that Lewis was hit with that he managed to brush off.

You're talking in generalities.

 

Prety much all the punchers he fought hit him with flush shots. He didn't always brush them off, somtimes he hit the deck, but crucialy nobody ever took him out with a single shot.

Lets be realistic here, there are fighters like Ramhan in every era, and its not like he didn't give people every chance to turn the trick. Even his style inherantly required him to put himself more in harms way.

We simply have to assume based on the evidence available, that Louis was harder to stop than Lewis.

 

So if Joe Louis was alive today Boxingfanno1 idiot his chin would be better? No matter what Louis fought Lewis he would still have a shitty chin and be knocked out in a few rounds.

 

First of all his name is Rahman not Ramhan, getting wrong once or even twice is fine but you're into your fourth time.

Secondly, Lewis was down twice in his career, who can say with any degree of certainly that Louis wouldn't have been down many more times than that.

Some posters punish Lewis for not getting up, but what about only being down twice?? That has to count for something.

Thirdly, watch the Lewis - Klitschko video and tell me Lewis couldn't take a punch.. It's ridiculous to even say that cause it's practically a highlight reel of Lewis getting hit and not going down, by a fighter who has one of the highest KO rates in the history of the sport.

 

Er, sorry, but it's not.

Louis never got caught with anything remotely as powerful as the right hand that Rahman threw. In fact the hardest shot he ever got caught with also knocked him out, when he went in against the Rock.

The only prominent champs I'm confident would have got up off the canvas following a shot like that are Holmes, Ali and Holyfield. Holmes because he took an almost identical shot against Shavers, Ali and Holmes because they both showed phenomenal chins in addition to their recuperative abilities. Louis had the latter but not the former.

And a punch flush on the kisser from Rahman, if he was ever stupid enough to get caught by it, would have taken him out.

 

And Lewis didn't? You're holding the Rahman knockout against him, when he took punches off a dozen men who could have knocked most fighter's heads clean off. Rahman not only hit him with a clean punch, but he hit him about as flush as you can get with his body turned right into the shot. Like I said, the only punch that was remotely similar was Shavers on Holmes.

Where's the Louis equivalent?

Better punchers, sure, but if he caught you flush then you were going down and probably not getting up again. Whatever his many failings, Rahman was a hugely powerful individual, and more than capable of stopping all but the most granite chinned of fighters with that right hand of his.

He struck gold when he landed it against Lewis in South Africa, something which better punchers in Tua, Tyson, Morrison, Briggs, Evander and even Vitali were unable to replicate.

But that was as much down to Lewis's poor preparation than it was to Rahman.

No, you don't. That's specious reasoning. You can't say that because something has never happened it never would have happened. And prior to the Marciano fight (which you might notice I'm not holding against him) Louis was dropped a number of times by single shots, in some cases not even particularly big shots. That's coming close to being taken out, isn't it?

Both Louis and Lewis fought (more or less) the best fighters of their respective eras. But the biggest punchers of Louis's era were in no way comparable to the biggest punchers of Lewis's. The 90s is probably the most puncher rich division in the sports history. I don't think you'd ever hear anyone claiming the same for the 30s.

Lewis proved his chin against a higher calibre of hitter than Louis, throughout his career.

No, he was simply the man who was able to make his power count when he most needed to. Any of the big punchers that Lewis faced could have done the same had they caught him flush on the jaw and sleeping on the ropes. They didn't because Lewis was, on the whole, a much better fighter than he showed up against vs Rahman. That's why I've always found holding that stoppage against him silly.

 

1. Lewis was taken out by two inside shots from Rahman and McCall(It was not premature his legs were shaky after he got up) and Louis is superior to them in every way,if they can get in a smaller faster,compact puncher is going to hurt Lewis.

Max Schemling smashed all night with rights then landed the final one with his body falling forward.

2. Rahman is limited and most were those other fighters. They let Lewis dictate because of his size something which Joe wouldn't let him do nor could other big fighters do. Lewis was vulnerable Joe never was.

No that's not because those shots were way quicker,compact,closer;took him by suprise more then anything, then what Rahman threw.


3. Louis was good enough not to be taken out by all fighters which makes more so much more dangerous to Lewis then any other fighter he has faced.

Baer killed a man in the ring,Marciano paralysed a man. Rahman,Tua,Morrison couldn't even KO each other.

4. Big men are there to be hit. Those punchers you mentioned wouldn't get the advantage Lennox gave them because Joe skills,albeit being a smaller man who is harder to hit, is in a different league which is why Louis KOing Lewis is not silly at all.

Louis makes his way to the inside and its lights out for Lewis.