Rate the quality of Sonny Liston's resume

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    In terms of head to head ability


    Johnny Summerlin 2x
    Nino Valdes
    Cleveland Williams 2x
    Eddie Machen
    Mike DeJohn
    Zora Folley
    Wayne Bethea
    Floyd Patterson 2x
    Henry Clark
    Chuck Wepner
     
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    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My take;
    Summerlin-underrated wins
    Valdez-past it
    Williams -good wins(over overrated opponent)
    Machen-good win over good fighter but showed limitations
    DeJohn-solid win
    Folley-impressive
    Bethea-a journeyman
    Patterson-great wins
    Clarke-good win
    Wepner-so so
     
  3. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It´s alright.......

    Btw...better than Bowe´s resume ? No.

    Thomas
    Cooper
    Tyrelly Biggs
    Tony Tubbs
    Bruce Seldon
    Pierre Coetzer
    Evander Holyfield twice
    Michael Dokes
    Larry Donald
    Herbie Hide
    Jorge Luis Gonzalez (whe Gonzalez was undefeated)
    Andrew Golota twice (he won! no matter what, he won)
     
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  4. xRedx

    xRedx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sonny Liston is an All Time Great. And the second Ali fight was a fix.
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    He also never suffered any late or early career losses to lesser men. Evander was the only one with a legitimate claim to beating him, and Riddick took two out of three against an all time great.. We all know he got his ass handed to him by Golata, but as you pointed out, it can't be labled as an official loss.
     
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    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    The second fight being a fix is irrelevant. Liston was never going to regain the crown from Ali.. He was outmatched.
     
  7. heavy_hands

    heavy_hands Guest

    horrible resume h2h

    patterson 188 pounder and fragile against any big good hw.
    ali is the greatest but liston was crap against him
    williams, beatable average guy with a good left hook
    nino valdez a big bum past his best
    folley average small guy
    machen average small guy and lasted the distance with liston
    the other guys were crap
     
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  8. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That´s something people seem to forget a bit.....
     
  9. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Liston dominated the contenders that were available to him,
    and were being ducked by the Champion Patterson. (Henry Cooper said if he was walking on the same side of the street that Liston was on and saw Liston coming....then he would cross over to the other side of the street)

    Then Liston crushed the Champion himself.
     
  10. choklab

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    Cooper also said Liston was the most overrated heavyweight champion of the 1960s. Cooper wrote that the press built up Liston as "having two heads and
    four arms" Cooper also reckoned that the word amongst sparring partners of the day was that Sonny didn't like movers and so clay proved it.
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Liston was a great fighter but I think he was somewhat a victim of his own KO record and possibly went a bit stale in his peak years through lack of rounds.

    Ultimately his record is 2-2 against elite fighters. Sonny had some good wins and spectacular filmed KOs but when you scrutinize the opposition they were outweighed and overmatched types everyone else was beating. His wins in 1960 were superb however.
     
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  13. Rex Tickard

    Rex Tickard Active Member Full Member

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    I think Liston's resume is somewhat similar to Tyson's, in the sense that the quality of opposition wasn't so great, but the manner of the wins was often noteworthy. For example, Wayne Bethea was basically just a journeyman, but he was known for having a great chin - yet Liston took him out in a single round.

    Having said that, Liston's resume is one of, if not the weakest resumes of any supposedly great HW champ IMO.
     
  14. Rex Tickard

    Rex Tickard Active Member Full Member

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    Agreed - the Holyfield wins put Bowe's resume clear and away above Liston's IMO.

    Otherwise, they're fairly comparable, with wins over several good or decent, but not great titleholders and contenders.
     
  15. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cooper had the chance to get into the ring with Liston in a formal fight....so did Ingo.

    Then the ornithologists of the early 60's classified both of them as some new form of species of ducks.
     
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