Lennox Lewis VS Joe Louis

J, we must remember that what a mastodon sized heavyweight gains in
heft behind a punch, he MUST lose in speed and dexterity in his punching
combinations...The law of physics and observations. Yes A Lennox Lewis or a George Foreman could obliterate anyone they hit solidly, no doubt. But I have always observed that the faster puncher who can hit hard with combinations ala Joe Louis , most often wins a fight...And Joe Louis at 200 pounds of explosive punching, unparalelled leverage and timing, would
ko anyone he hurts...Anyone, be it a Lewis, Foreman, Ali etc, would succumb to a prime Louis deadly salvo....I remember the wise words of a
prominent physician of the 1930s who stated," the human body was not
built to survive the onslaught of Joe Louis's punches once he had you hurt"
and I concur. People today don't realize that when Joe Louis was in his prime, he was considered every bit as deadly as his friend welterweight Ray Robinson, by the boxing fraternity of those times. The Joe Louis of the Max Baer fight who decimated the truly iron chinned Max Baer and in the next fight flattened the George Chuvalo of his time Paolino Uzcudun, with
one right hand that knocked Uzcudun's front teeth out alongst with his mouthpiece would have kod the bigger, slower puncher Lennox Lewis
I am convinced...cheers...

 

Aye, but that's assuming everyone starts off with the same material. Lennox is so special because he bucks that general trend by being both huge and explosive in combinations.

It'd be nice if everyone is equal when everything is totted up, but that's not so.

 

Not true, Andy Ruiz Jr at a FAT 256 lbs throws faster combinations than most light heavies.
At 200 lbs Ali was like a middleweight
Roy Jones Jr is faster than all except maybe 2 or 3 or so boxers ever even at smw.
Wlad is faster than most 200 lbs+ guys.

Louis was slower than the bigger Ali especially his feet much were slower.

Usain Bolt is 210 lbs for gods sake.
Besides Usain Bolt only one other man who was in the top 10 in the olympics was above 200 lbs.
(Second fastest ever 200/100 meter man is Yohan Blake at 166 pounds)
There is little/no colleration between speed and size as far as I can see in the top 10 olympics sprinting 2012.

Heavy men CAN be as fast as smaller men.

And when a big man is as fast as the smaller man, the smaller man has a big problem.

 

Exactly.

If anything can be called a general trend in sports it's that bigger men tire faster than smaller men. They certainly don't have to be slower.

 

Yea, you can see the more meters a sprint is the lighter the runners tend to go.
Especially ultra marathon men/women are very light.

And I don't know why I did it but I'm bored so I'm proving my point in my previous post for the second time.

It's also the primary reason why heavyweights tend to have higher KO ratios than the lighter weights I bet.

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At a 40 or 20 meter dash this guy can beat olympic sprinters.

It takes Bolt probably around 50-70 meters to reach his full speed, olympics weightlifters have a higher HP/ton ratio and are infact superior in sprinting provided the distance is smaller.

Olympic weightlifters also vertical jump the heighest.
And contrary to what you might think, normal jumpers aren't great vertical jumpers.

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Shane Hamman, 2000 Olympic Team Member and current National Super heavyweight Champion, another big man weighing in @ 163 kg (358 lbs) but only at a height of 5'9" tall, can jump onto boxes @ a height over 42" high. Of course Shane was also known for his squatting ability of over 1000 lbs. (Snatch 195 kg, Clean and Jerk 230 kg).” (can do a sanding back flip and dunk a basketball)

He can also hit a golf ball 350 yards far, and with golf you need explosive power (speed) so he's fast too at over 300 lbs.

 

This is actually why I favor Joe over Lennox. Even if Lennox did have an impervious chin, one simply didn't give away those kinds of shots to a combination puncher like the Bomber and win. You'd better run [like Walcott and Pastor], force him into retreat [say, like in Godoy I], or counter him brilliantly [like Schmeling did when Louis was ill prepared and caught unawares]. Lennox is going to get hit often, and discover that Joe was better at defending himself than commonly credited for.

Lennox's size alone would be no kind of refuge against Joe, and giving the Bomber that kind of punching room with that kind of height while slowly retreating in an upright amateur/European style posture would be suicidal.

Either get under him and crowd him with low hustling pressure [Frazier, Dempsey, Marciano], stick and move [Ali, Holmes], or confuse him with pattern interrupts and feinting [Walcott, Pastor I]. With Lennox though, Joe would know exactly what to do, how to do it, and have all the opportunities he needed to carry it out.

Nobody wiped out Joe early. At least twice in his career, he faced scheduled 20 rounders [Pastor II and Simon I]. Lennox never confronted a scheduled distance longer than 12 rounds. If either gasses, it will be the bigger man.

Joe had 11 first round knockouts, five in world title defenses. [Many of these are on film.] Lennox had five first round stoppages, and only Golota went in the opening three minutes of his world title opponents. Joe is not getting blown out in a single round here, not when Lennox failed twice to stop or even drop aging former CW Holyfield in two attempts. Max Baer was literally a killer with six ounce gloves, and Joe out slugged him in a torrid exchange to conclude the opening round. When did Lennox ever face a combination puncher like that?

 

:deal I second that :good pretty please with a cherry on top - we seriously don't need people like this on here - I thought ESB was getting bad already but this is ridiculous??

 

Ban someone for stating their opinion in a non-abusive way? Yeah, that'd really improve the forum environment, wouldn't it?

 

It's not an opinion it's a completely and utter FALACY - like saying its not wet on a day when it's raining heavily?? Stop ***** footing around and trying to sound all good and non judgemental ok mate - let's maybe think about getting back to reality on this forum and maybe that would get it back to where it used to be cheers

 

For the record: Do YOU think the Holy that faced Donald was as badly deteriorated as the Ali that faced Berbick?? atsch

 

i disagree a lot with what the guy said to. but you can't say it was factually wrong. it's his interpretation of how fantasy fights would go. do i like it? no. but none of this stuff is fact, it's subjective interpretation. he has a right to disagree with every one of us, especially if he provides a reason

pacdbest was a ****ing moron when he was stating what pac would do in the next few years. it was fallacy and foolish. until every word he said was right

 

No, it's an opinion. Agree or disagree with it all you like, but calling for someone's ban is uncalled for and doesn't do the forum any favours.

 

Lewis vs Louis is going to come true in the next few years?

glover is sincere so let him be oh let him be..whispers of aa

 

No, and I think Donald was a better fighter than many gave him credit for.

 

I see that this has not been resolved in my absence!