Lucas matthysse the real thing or overhyped

I don't think that Garcia will take it, I hope Im wrong because it could be a barnburner. Garcia would have to concentrate for every second of every round because it doesn't look like LM loses his power down the stretch like a lot of other bangers do

 

He was wayy to wild in this fight, against Ajose and Soto he picked his punches, this time he was just going for the homerun punch he was way too eager, he cant do that against Garcia but i dont think he will because he knows there is return power

 

i think what makes the 140 division so exciting is if you look at the top they are all capable of beating each other. they are all world class operates but all have their flaws and i wouldnt really consider any of them p4p material.

whats great to is they are all willing to fight each other aswell

 

Real thing, FFS. It hasn't been up to serious debate for quite some time.

He justly boasts a record, should you strip away every vestige of woefully incompetent officiating to mar his professional career, of 37-0 (33) - including what ought to be a 10-0 (8.) mark against "serious" opposition.


He earned victory over Alexander.

He earned victory over Judah.

He opened a cut from a very obvious legal blow (left hook) on Rogelio Castaneda Jr. in their first meeting in September 2008. The ref incorrectly ruled it as being the result of a headbutt, thus rendering the No Contest verdict when Castaneda was unable to continue. Matthysse annihilated Castaneda in their 2010 rematch via KO1, scoring three knockdowns. As satisfying as that must have been, it would be nicer to not have that bogus NC on his record needlessly dragging his KO% down.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2008/09/matthysse-castaneda-jr-ruled-a-no-decision/

That means, of his nine significant opponents (High-level journeyman/occasional prospect-buster Castaneda, former champ Harris, once and future champ Judah, former champ and still top-line journeyman Corley, once and future champ Alexander,
former champ and currently rebounding Soto, undefeated avoided contender Olusegun, comeback-minded former top prospect Dallas,
and reigning champ Peterson) he should be flawless with eight stoppages.

Besides Judah and Alexander - both of whom did get dropped, incidentally - only a single opponent has ever lasted the distance with Matthysse: Carlos Adan Jerez, a tough fellow Argie who's only been stopped twice in 55 bouts despite having mixed at world class (went the full Monty with Canelo, Mundine, Bursak, & Bundu) - retired by heavy-handed Sebastian Lujan and, funny enough, by Matthysse's own brother who inherited the family power but not the chin or skill. The other non-stoppage pulling Matthysse's average down is a DQ over a can early in his career.

Look at the honest portrayal of his record without the bungling of judges and refs - again, 37-0 with 33 stopped - and it's pretty damn indicative of "the real thing" when you consider that he does have more than a handful of decent names on there. Surely naysayers for the sake of doing so will nitpick how shot Harris was (if not before Witter, then ruined by him); or point out that Corley was able to rise off the canvas numerous times, including a few more than were officially ruled & documented, where a slow mediocre banger like Freddy Hernandez was able to put him cleanly to sleep with a single blow; or use bendy apologist logic to argue in favor of the scoring for Judah and/or Alexander, further protected under the cloak of "you don't automatically score aggression - boxing and moving isn't running!" (which are true statements, but don't bear relevance in either case); or say that Dallas had already been exposed; Olusegun had never beaten anyone of note; Soto was "still in it" and robbed by his corner :nut - or all sorts of piffle.

The plain fact is that Lucas Matthysse is a beast. A truthful inquiry into his CV and simply watching his performances against several respectable competitors will offer ample repeatable evidence of this.

He isn't fast, and he isn't slick - but don't make the error of conflating those missing qualities with lack of skill. Matthysse enacts the very definition of intelligent pressure and doesn't waste much. He puts each fist where he means to and never without malice. He misses, yes, sometimes widely, but isn't left flabbergasted or in the wrong position when he does so. He understands that many power punches will miss, especially when thrown at someone bent on surviving, and especially when your reputation precedes you. He calculates how much energy he allots to movement and each individual attack, never blowing his load or getting lost in the moment of wild flurrying. His footwork is of the Joe Louis, "no hurry, nothing fancy, get right where needed when needed" variety. He doesn't let his arms drop or pull any daredevil reflexive feats like Sergio Martinez and many other countrymen, but he does stop a fairly high number of incoming punches for a knockout artist. The stats will support this, as will simply looking at how many he catches on his gloves. Yes, he gets hit coming in...but not anywhere near as much as someone like a Brandon Rios, and really quite little overall for a seek-and-destroy type. There is a bare minimum of collateral damage to expect when touting a destructive style, and he isn't far above it. Besides, like Rios (maybe even more than Rios) - he does possess the shock resistance to get away with absorbing leather for gain. Intelligently, unlike Rios, he doesn't rely on that exclusively...but isn't averse to falling back on the available option.

His power is undeniable. Combine it with his aforementioned skills and you have someone for whom any hype or excitement is perfectly well reasoned...and whom it becomes less and less reasonable to doubt.

 

It's stupid to engage in such a conversation either way, and even dumber to predicate Matthysse being "over-hyped" on the basis of what is claimed in such mythical conversations.

Pacquiao in his prime fought at 125/130lbs - weights Matthysse could've never made, ever. (he debuted at 140 and hasn't budged)

It's like discussing prime Ivan Calderon vs. prime Fernando Vargas - pointless.

Yes, Pacquiao climbed up to even further heights than Matthysse has yet reached - but his prime was much, much earlier.

If we're talking about the 140lb version of Pacquiao (which only existed one night ever in history, against Hatton) - then yeah, it's reasonable to say Matthysse could hang with him. It's unreasonable to say either man wouldn't be competitive. The Pacquiao of 05/02/2009 (the only 140lb Pacquiao ever) is very evenly matched with the current Matthysse.

 

People saying Garcia will hurt him with the counter left. Forget Lucas power, he also has as ironed a chin I've seen. Garcia gets so overhyped after knocking out chandelier chin Khan and the completely washed up Morales. Garcia won a split decision with Ashley Theopane for ****s sake! Matthysse is absolutely destroying Garcia! will be like a lamb to the slaughter

 

I mainly see matthyse being derailed by someone like pacquiao. someone who ius fast and can seriously bang when he comes in exposing himself.

i think someone with marquezs style could do him but marquez is a little too old and fragile i suspect. would be a fascinating fight imo.

not sure floyd has the legs to make it an easy fight anymore and not quite spiteful enough puncher so strongly doubt floyd takes him on.

 

Matthysse is a hard hitter but he still lacks big names on his record. A win over Garcia would be phenomenal.

 

I already knew that Matthyse will defeat Garcia and it won't be pretty if they ever fought. Fighting Garcia would have been a much easier contest for Ajose Olusegun than Matthyse. I obviously keeps tabs on the 140 pound division but what Matthyse has shown after destroying Soto and defeating Ajose Olusegun is that he is better than ever as Petersen discovered. Amir Khan reckons he has the style to defeat Matthyse does he! Golden boy and Al Haymon have made money for Garcia but the truth is he has never been the best at 140 pounds.

 

Matthysse will knock Garcia out!!! He has more skills, shorter punches, much better boxing IQ, better defense, better chin, punchers much harder. Garcia is a wide puncher, not hard to hit either.

 

Preach, brother.

 

Cos fighters like that are just hanging around on street corners...