1967 Muhammad Ali vs. 2007 Wladimir Klitschko

Name me a fighter today who has more speed and boxing ability than a PEAK version of Ali.

Give me a laugh.

A head to head between Wlad and a peak Ali.

Power
Jab
Footwork
Timing
Hand speed
Combination punches
Reflexes
Defence
Chin
Heart
Strength

You're a joker of the highest order.

 

They must be locked up for their own safety.

 

Is this thread serious?

Wlad's wins easy of course

 

Ali was feather fisted so forget about koing wlad

Would be a ud.

 

Bingo!

Are we saying that Michael Jordan couldn't be a star in today's NBA, because sports science has evolved?

 

The most likely outcome to me would be Ali close UD; 9-6, 8-7 scores and I will say that I could see a knockdown either or both ways

 

Oh dear, Glover !

Where to start ?

Do you see the convoluted mess you've made ? Before you even begin to discuss boxing here, you need to learn to use the quote buttons properly.

Who could make heads or tails of the foregoing. It's a mix of my post and your commentary with no indication where one ends and the other begins.


But let's give it a try.

I asked

"How familiar are you with the HW division of that era ?
I need to know that before we waste any more time here.
Have you ever heard of Folley, Williams, Machen, Valdes, Patterson..."


And this was all you came up with:

An indication that you knew of one of the mentioned, and a bald, unsupported, pretty meaningless statement about the man.


Then, in answer to my Tyson-Liston points, you offer

Again, more unsupported drivel. Demonstrating a clear lack of knowledge of the era in question.

And Liston didn't look menacing to you. Well that would make you more fearless than most of his opponents. Then again, they were in the ring with him.


But you're not done yet. You've still got this:

Liston a cherry-picker ? I'm not sure why I'm bothering with a response here, but...

Liston defeated the top five HWs in the division before he even got his title shot. He was avoided until it was no longer possible to avoid him. Those of his opponents I have named were all superior scalps to any Wlad has so far. There is no real debate as to whose resume is stronger.

And Sonny was not KO'd by three journeymen while in his prime.

You keep banging on about comparing Ali to any modern HW. What does that even mean ? What are you trying to say here ? Do you even know ?



I asked you to list Wlad's five best wins. You declined to do so. That speals volumes.

And then this :

Wlad was visibly shaken by Sam Peter in their first meeting. And Sam was no Sonny.

As for lightening fast footwork and handspeed, you commented :

This points to trolling on your part as no serious fan of the sport could be so -ill-informed.

And this pretty much takes the cake.

We can never know with absolute certainty, but Byrd would be no better than a 10-1 underdog if the match could be made.

You really don't have a clue, do you ?

 

:rofl


I just noticed this. The highlighted part is comical and the rest is sheer drivel.

If you're trolling, you have a bit of a knack for comedy.

If you're not, then, as I said above, you really don't have a clue.

 

I know he did, but I used him as an example because of his movement. He frustrated Wlad.

There is absolutely nothing, to suggest that Wlad could have coped with Ali's footwork.

Doug Jones was fast. Cooper was underestimated when he was young. Norton fought Ali in the 70's.

We're discussing a 67 pre ban version of Ali at his peak, on his best day.

Wlad hasn't got superior skills.

He's got an advantage in strength and power.

Ali had blinding handspeed and unbelievable footwork to get himself in an out of range.

In the 60's he was up on his toes.

In the 70's he couldn't fight that way, so he got a hit a lot more.

Wlad is methodical. He's got slow feet, he hasn't got particularly fast hand speed, he doesn't throw punches in bunches, and he's got a dodgy chin.

How often do you see him throw an uppercut or a quick fire combo?

He didn't have the same skillset as Ali, and I've seen no evidence as to how he could have coped with Ali's movement.

 

For the sake of everyone, just log off. :good

 

Ali by ud or by cuts

 

Can't hit Haye but hits Ali.


Got it

 

:hi: when did ALI become hard to hit ??????

 

This isn't the mid to late 70's version of Ali being discussed. In 1967 he was very difficult to hit and when you missed you got machine gun fire in return.