Wladimir Klitschko vs. Rocky Marciano

How far would the Rock's chances go up if he had been a smooth boxing, mobile black man?

Thread would 5 pages long at the most tbh.

 

Making up things up. He was 190-195 pounds in his mid/late teens and wasn't fully developed as he became to be, expected drivel from you.

 

Let me ask you this question of size.

Why can Wlado KO a 260pound Argentinian but a 215 pound Chris Byrd take such punishment for 12rounds. It's not due to size that the smaller man can take punishment but.........


Rocky,for the first time in his 49 fights lets a opponent control the fight? Because Wladimir career he's controlled every single one of his fights. I forget only this era of HWs get better when they're 32+ yo.

 

Yes, I'm a drivel machine.

Rocky also ballooned up to 215 between fights. However, his fighting weight in his prime was 185. Waldo's is around 245. Drivel again?

 

Put back a few today?

He KD'd Byrd twice in their first fight and KO'd him in their second. Byrd might have won a round or two out of the 19 they fought. And Byrd was a hell of lot more slippery than Marciano.

#moredrivel

 

"Can you imagine him trying that steep bend he employed" Yes I can and quite easy too. You've taken his fighting weight and assumed he could not get up to that weight because of his frame? You've got nothing to support that.

 

Answer the question directly. Can't??? It shouldn't be hard you've been supporting the size argument for the whole thread so answer it.

 

Ike can breeze through a prime, fresher, faster Byrd and get him out in 5, but Wlad cant even keep him down after two knock downs?....Reason is because Wlad is not the technically proficient boxer you think he is...He has ONE gameplam of trying to ko the opponent with one-two's and thats it..ZERO plan B and Zero adaptability......Rock isn't going to be overcome by a 1-2 robot when he figured out far far more complex ring masters in his time........

 

The reason is he has an iron clad, safety-first, crowd-displeasing style, which actually makes him harder to beat. He minimizes risk. He doesn't try to extinguish his prey until they are absolutely tenderized and helpless. He turns a KO3 into a KO11 (but he still finishes an extraordinarily high percentage of them).

I am not saying I enjoy this strategy just that it has been highly successful, more successful than if he adopted a go-fo-broke, put-asses-in-seats style.

 

When you have a big puncher in front of you, there is only one course of action, and that is to get the guy out of there as soon as possible.
He couldn't get to Haye in all 12 rounds and paid the price in the 12th were he almost got knocked out.
If the ref hadn't allowed him to spoil the remainder round by hanging on for dear life , Haye could of finished him, and a former great most certainly would of.

Wlad would have to contend with that moment Haye brought evey minute of every round from round 1 and he doesn't have the stamina to endure the storm or the punch resistance.
Watch him abort his fight with Povektin soon. When he does, you'll no longer have any argument in here.

 

Like Ali did with Shavers? Like Holmes did with Cooney? Like Tunney did with Dempsey? Like Tyson did with Bonecrusher? Let me think that one over.

The counter to your Haye argument, and what has certainly passed with almost every Klitschko opponent, is that fighters freeze in front of him. There are just no correlatives to Wlad, with his jab, speed and footwork, to find for preparation. Haye was skirting about him, afraid to take the risk to engage. For this he received the requisite beating, losing almost every round.

If he aborts on Povetkin that will certainly be a black mark on his record. However, he is 37. The hard work of his legacy has been done.

 

Anyone who looks at either brother as a great fighter does not know what they are talking about. Both are very European straight up style fighters. Walking statues. hit them on the chin, hurt them and all of a sudden they are looking for the exit. Great fighters? No chance!

 

David Haye's setbacks were his own and dont relate to Marciano. Wlad will have to go all offensive to break his body before he breaks his will and thats not what he is made up of.

If Wlad walks away from Povektin now he will have no legacy.
He'll be known for bailing out when the going got tuff.
He's gotten a free pass throughout his career because of the lack of names in the division.
Now there are decent level opponents available he wants no part of them.
A true champion would want to prove he's no fluke and challenge the best.
Wlad is not a true champ or warrior and would not beat a pitbull like The Rock.

 

Chagaev, Brock, Ibragimov, Haye, Peters, Chambers, Brewster were all on par or close to par with Povetkin. Povetkin needs Wlad more than vice versa.

That said, I would be disappointed if this fight doesn't happen. Frankly, I am ready for both Klits to move on. Vitali especially needs to get out of the game. He looks like a cripple in the ring anymore. He's got no base, no power behind his punches... too many injuries and too old.

 

Would be nice to see Vitali dropping his belt and retiring for good.
I think what the hw division needs right now is a lot of titlefights to spark some interest again, especially beltholders who lose after 2-3 defends.
Nothing unified.

More titlefights = more money in the game = more new fighters (Who want the money)