Look let's be realistic here. Wlad/Vitali/Lewis would dominate any era of HW boxing

Vitali is a ****ing Lewis Victim.
He will be forever remembered as being Lennox's son. Old fat shot ******ed version of Lewis tko6 Vitali. that **** was funny as hell. Lennox looked like he had down's syndrome walking into the ring all stuttering and tripping over his feet. He was 261 pounds unofficial and 257 Official. Guy was a whale pretending to be the heavyweight champ that night. He had a heart attack in the 2nd round and he still dominated rounds 4,5, and 6 on route to a beautiful tko.

Prime Lewis destroys any version of Vitali. Beat Down Man Down.

 

they could & would lose to a good few Top HWs over the history of Boxing, but they could beat the bulk of other HWs, WHY?

because their Super-Heavyweights!!!

 

**** off felixtrinidad

 

Is that all you've got to say?

Valuev was a quick example just to show you that size isn't always an advantage.

How do you think Valuev would have done against Frazier, Foreman, Tyson and Ali?

I would have bet my life on the Ruiz version of Roy Jones to beat him.

You're obsessed with size.

Footwork is one of the most important skills to a boxer, if not THE most important.

You keep saying that Wlad would have jabbed Ali. Wlad's jab isn't fast. How would he have been able to jab a moving target darting in and out of range at different angles?

You saw the David Haye fight. He won the fight, but couldn't land anything significant. If he had that much trouble with Haye's movement, then Ali's feet would have bamboozled him.

Ali wouldn't have stood stationary like he did against Foreman in the jungle. He'd have been a moving target all night.

I think you need to go and watch some footage of Ali's footwork from the mid 60's.

 

Imagine if Ali was as slow as Valuev.
Without the size of Valuev but with the speed of Valuev he'd be nothing but a punching bag.

And before you say that being bigger means you're slower.
Watch the 100 meter sprint and see if there is a colleration between size and speed (There is none)
Usain is 210 pounds, second fastest was 166 pounds or so.
Also the 300 pound olympic weightlifters are the fastest if you define speed as doing a 20/40 meter dash.

The only thing a smaller man has over a bigger men is their stamina.(And even that doesn't have to be true if the bigger man is very stocky while the smaller man is very long for his weight)

Speed is not bound to size.

Also Valuev had gigantism which brings a lot of issues.
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Ha! These are ridiculous examples.

Vitali doesn't fight like Doug Jones!

Doug Jones was FAST, with very good footwork, and Ali was only 21, and he'd fought just 2 months previously.

Norton and Spinks came in the latter half of Ali's career when he no longer had his great footwork in the 70's.

So you think Vitali would have won, based on a fight Ali had at 21 in his second year as a pro, and because Leon beat him when he was shot?

A 1967 peak version of Ali was not the SAME fighter who fought Jones and Spinks!

 

It's not an excuse though is it?

Styles make fights. Doug Jones was a former 175 fighter who was fast. He had fast feet and fast hand speed.

Also, Ali was only 21 and he'd fought about 7 weeks prior to that fight.

It was also his 8th fight in just 12 months.

A fast former 175 fighter who troubled Ali in 63, doesn't tell us that Vitali would have beaten a peak 1967 version of Ali.

 

These fools need not only watch more Ali, Foreman, Frazier , Tyson etc, but more Klitschko as well.

Wlad would be one of the easiest fights Ali could have.
The Wlad who keeps his right hand too low and when he throws a jab his chin follows.
Does it not compute that Ali would just circle away from Wlads right hand all night long and spray him with combos so fast, flurstering him to the point of absolute confusion.
He had no anwer from a bit of basic head movement from Haye who was a stationary target, he would be completly lost in the ring with Ali.
He'd be gassed out after 3-4 rounds from punching air

 

Somethimes Ali just wasn't up for fights and in Doug Jones's case he just cruised along in second gear...It took the best to bring out the best in him.

 

He was only 21 you clown, and he'd fought just 7 weeks prior to that.

How many more times do you need telling?

Jones was a very fast fighter who used to box as a LHW.

Vitali fights nothing like how Jones did.

Ali having a competitive fight against a fast guy in 63, has no bearing on how a 67 version of Ali would do against a big, slow, and powerful Vitali.

Your logic is very poor!

 

Vitali wasn't as fast, so he wouldn't have caused him the same trouble. Also for the hundredth time, Ali was only 21. We're talking about a 67 version of Ali. Doug Jones has no bearing on what would have happened.

Styles make fights.

Frazier caused Ali lots of problems.

Foreman DESTROYED Frazier.

Everyone thought that "The Jungle" was a miss match.

We know what happened.

 

It's not relevant when debating a fight between a 1967 version of Ali, vs Vitali.

 

That's right, and could you imagine today's fighters fighting every 7-8 weeks?

 

Here we go with the modern HW rose glasses on that thinks size equals ATG status.

First off Lennox did not even mix it up with the holys and tysons in their prime. Holyfield on his best day beats all 3 listed.

The klits even with so much potential felt the need for a massive amount of fights before even attempting for a paper wbo title in this eras garbage divisions.

Drop in Oliver Mc Call , Rahman, Saners Purrity and Byrd in with the champions of the past and they get decimated, and we all know who these guys beat.

Middleweights won titles in this "monster era" for petes sake.

Yet a 200lb ATG heavyweight from the past would be so out of his depth.

What a bunch of garbage.

 

sure. klits and lew would dominate anybody. the reason is they no heavyweight, they super heavyweights. when holyfield was boxing lewis, I remember a photo on a magazine before the fight, both standing side by side and I said, lewis is going to win and the obvious reason was size and yes, size does matter in boxing. they just to tall, to athletic, to physicly big. muhammad ali lost to norton and holyfield had so many troubles with bowe. lets make it clear, wlad (as much as i hate him for being boring) is way more bigger athletic and harder puncher than norton and has more ring IQ, bowe who beat holyfield would get beaten by lewis, he was beating by lewis in the amateurs and ducked lewis in the pro, because he knows.