Team Ward: After destroying Froch again, we want Calzaghe

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  1. skoorydookatron

    skoorydookatron Active Member Full Member

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    Another poster already pointed out Ward opened his mouth about Calzaghe back in 2010 saying he would defeat him handily so technically one could make an argument for the great and humble Andre Ward for starting this.
     
  2. Former Dawg

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    I can agree with this to an extent. The Champ traveled to his location and lost so to be fair he could and should do the same. However the champ agreed to go there and fight him. Ward entered the tourney as a nobody and Kessler was looking to go to Oakland and get an easy win to start the tourney off right.
    No one wanted to fight in Nottingham after the controversy surrounding the Dirrell vs Froch bout. This is the reason there were no more fights there and the reason Ward does not want to travel there now. Just to add he never said he would not travel to Nottingham he said they would have to make it worth his while. Show me where Andre Ward said he refuses to go to Nottingham.

    I am as big a Froch fan as I am a Ward fan. Froch lost hands down would not have mattered if they were on an island in the pacific. New Jersey is closer to Nottingham than it is Oakland. Brit fans travel well. Say what you'd like there were more Froch fans at the location than there were Ward. Calzaghe and Hatton both had more fans than Hopkins and Mayweather when they fought as well.

    I know enough about Froch to know that is exactly what he is looking for. Immediately after the first Kessler bout the first thing he said is " If this was in Nottingham I get the decision ". My respect factor for him went way down after that statement. He did much the same after his win against Kessler. He credited Andre Ward for giving him a blue print for beating Kessler then he says Ward's style is garbage. If his style is so bad why are you watching him looking for ways to win. He talks out both sides of his mouth. Forch does not want to fight Ward again unless he has a chance at a home town decision. Obviously he doesn't think he can beat him so he wants him to come to Nottingham where he can get away with rabbit punches and body slams while the other fighter has points deducted for clinching.
     
  3. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    don't credit bogus 'titles' - or 'titleholders'

    the tournament was held because EVERYONE INVOLVED knew that the winner would be a GENUINE WORLD CHAMPION - not a paper titlist, which is all we were left with once calzaghe retired

    the belts meant nothing - neither kessler nor froch have ever been world champions
     
  4. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    If he actually wants a rematch with Ward, all he has to do is tell his promoter to call Wards promoter.

    Im getting the feeling that Hearns desperately doesnt want to make that call.
     
  5. GrandSlam

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    I never said he refused to go to Nottingham, I just said he should in all fairness return the favour that was done for him. It wasn't Kessler's choice to fight Ward first, that was the draw. He may have overlooked him, but it wasn't like he picked it as an easy fight. After what happened in Oakland with Ward/Kessler, I don't think there's any room to talk about Split Decisions in the shittest fight of all time as being dodgy...

    Once again...I don't disagree with your second point regarding the result or the Brit fans, but bringing mileage into it doesn't change the fact that it was fought in the USA. Ward's home country. Trying to use mileage is dissembling.

    The first highlighted part is probably true. It was a very tough and close fight. Were he at home, he may have got the nod. It wouldn't have been a robbery though. He did indeed give props to Ward, but his actual words were 'I watched the fight yesterday...' Now...correct me if I'm wrong, but I very much doubt a 3 year obsession and a 3 month training camp went out the window when he watched it the night before the fight and thought 'oh, I'll just do a bit of that. Bingo.' He was just using it as a way of giving Ward props and setting up a call-out.

    Finally, I think Ward is just as guilty of cheating, if not more so. The only way Froch can win is to rough Ward up on the outside and try to blast him out. I don't think he thinks he'll get a gift decision, he just wants a shot at revenge.
     
  6. GrandSlam

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    Err... yeah, they have.

    So neither Ward nor Froch was a World Champion going into the final, because they hadn't yet fought each other - is that what you're saying? Or that if Froch had won...he'd have been the Genuine Champion. Despite having a loss to Kessler on his resume. Seems a bit strange.
     
  7. Dunks

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    LOL@ "I want a guy who has been retired for 3 years":lol:
     
  8. BunnyGibbons

    BunnyGibbons Is Not About That Life Full Member

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    Hardly any surprise, they wanted Pavlik till he fell off the wagon. :lol:
     
  9. Smokin' Joe

    Smokin' Joe ~ Dinamita Irlandés ~ banned

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    Why not?

    Sugar Ray was retired for 3 years and came back to 'beat' the best middleweight in the World.
     
  10. trampie

    trampie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A prime Calzaghe beats a prime Ward everytime, its that simple.
     
  11. jeffjoiner

    jeffjoiner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ward's not nearly old enough for a prime Joke Al to fight, much less an old one. Joe knows his limitations, after all.
     
  12. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    B-hop mate? He fought calzaghe for the ring championship whilst still operating at a high level after beating winky and tarver and had loads of good wins after. RJJ has no excuse but this isn't about calzaghe it's about Ward. Two wrongs don't make a right.
     
  13. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The fans saw Ward beat that ass and regardless what the sanctioning bodies do. The fans know who the real champ is. Froch can never be the real champ in the eyes of the fans. You remember Ali.
     
  14. assasin

    assasin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    you're been told thousands of times before, but i'll tell you bitter drips again. i know it's pointless, but here goes...

    if Jones and Hopkins refused to fight Joe when all were in their prime, how can that be Joes fault? the fights happened when Hopkins and Jones found their balls. Joe was past prime by about 3 to 4 years himself.

    if Hopkins was the Lightheavyweight champ when Joe stepped up, how the **** can he have waited until he lost his title?

    you can get back to your deluded and bitter life now. :-(
     
  15. assasin

    assasin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    you've changed your tune haven't you? you bitter little troll.