if there were no weight divisions...

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  1. ero-sennin

    ero-sennin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    David Haye was almost outweighed by 100lbs against Valuev but beat him with ease. I understand Valuev is awful and would not have held a belt in a better era, but Imagine for a moment that there were no weight divisions. Which fighters could you see doing something similar and against whom? Note: I am only talking about one world level fighter against another world level fighter, not Sergio Martinez beating Martin Rogan or anything like that. For example, you may believe that let's say Donaire beats Peterson, or Pac beats Glenn Johnson.
     
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  2. USA Rob

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    I wouldn't say Haye beat Valuev with ease.
     
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  3. ero-sennin

    ero-sennin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe "with ease" was an exaggeration but he won comfortably. I had Valuev winning only 3 rounds IIRC.
     
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  4. USA Rob

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    I had it 116-112 to Haye. There are times where the 4 scoring rules go out of the window.

    Honestly trying to even respond gave me a headache. Its a mental question!
     
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  5. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Standing next to Haye on Friday i was shocked how small he is. Wadi Camacho looked bigger maybe the clothing :lol:. But it struck me even more how much the size difference must of been against Valuev not just height but weight.

    I thought he won well honestly. Valuev at one point was shadow boxing :lol:. Haye did same job as Holyfield sadly Real Deal got robbed and David got the nod.
     
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  6. USA Rob

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    Holyfield winning that fight is one of the biggest myths in boxing.

    I challange you to watch that fight without commentary.
     
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  7. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    I watched on a stream with German commentary thanks :good.
     
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  8. ginger warrior

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    I really would find it hard to judge fighters in different divisions but they obviously spar like khan and angulo or degale and cleverly but those are only one division up or down and that at the top level over 12 rounds is more than enough difference

    Haye fought off the back foot against valuev and I think people forget how passive he was for most of that fight it looked like he would throw a huge chance away
    Having big differences would mean the likliehood of 1 running 1 stalking so a few who would fly in the face of that concept who are aggressive and big punchers for the weight like
    Matthysse
    Rios
    Donaire
    Pacquiao
    Golovkin they could compete at a higher weight or somebody who can use their reach to their advantage rigondeux or miguel vazquez they could move up without getting smashed straight away but the fact is the difference would most times count
     
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  9. Ireland

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    LOL IT isnt a myth watch it on youtube ...now i know you dont know boxing
     
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  10. ginger warrior

    ginger warrior Guest

    I see your point,lebedev doesn't hit him but if he did floyd would be knocked out clean
     
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  11. Berliner

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    No. Haye did not much more than ancient Holyfield. Haye just got the decision. He did not beat Valuev with ease.
     
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  12. USA Rob

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    Everyone in the arena scored that fight to Valuev.
     
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  13. ero-sennin

    ero-sennin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with Ginger that it would have to be someone who can punch hard for their weight. Would also be necessary for them to have super stamina and footwork 'cause they would be on the backfoot all night, firing off a quick combination and then getting the **** out of danger. The opponent would have to be a slow, one dimensional plodder. Prime Pacquiao beating Chavez jr maybe?:think
     
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  14. jonbonez152

    jonbonez152 EASTSIDEBOXING KING Full Member

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    Ward vs klitschkos
     
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  15. nick6

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    martinez beat chavez jr :lol:
     
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