1967 Muhammad Ali vs. 2007 Wladimir Klitschko

The division is loaded with talent: 2 olympic gold medalists, 2 former CW champs, former titlist and amateur world champ...

It is obvious that you have nothing of substance to say on the matter because you don't really know **** about boxing so do us a favor and stick to TKO6 thread.

 

There are Olympic gold medalists in nearly every era, its inescapable. And TWO cruiserweight are able to compete in this era of the "super" heavyweight? How good could it possibly be when blown up fighters can rival the behemoths? That's like a flyweight being competitive with welterweights and middleweights!! And please don't bother bring amateur credentials to the table as they don't grantees to the professional ranks.

And I would spend all the time I wanted in TKO6, but you keep avoiding my question for a link to anyone with K2 saying a thumb caused the cut.

 

Go ahead and point out who out of current ring top 10 is fat, unskilled and lacks proper stamina so I can properly school you.

 

Heavyweights throw fewer punches today, do little body work, seldom parry or slip punches that would set them up for counter punches in favor of hugging their opponents. Should I get into footwork, head movement, hooking off the jab and counter punching? You will inevitably pick on one of these things instead of looking at it as a whole because that's the only way to avoid this fact. I can show video of the fighters from Holmes era doing all these things....much more skilled fighters...and that was a crap era as well. Not as bad as today, but an era of wasted talent.

 

I never specified the top 10, that was you. And you keep avoiding questions to ask questions, why is that? Is it why you keep ignoring my question about K2 saying it was a cut? Face it semen, you have nothing for me and could school me with a "how to" instructional manual sitting in front of you. :yep

 

Modern heavyweights throw more punches per round on average than from 40 years ago and, please, don't be shy and enlighten us on footwork, head movement, hooking off the jab and counter punching.

 

It should be easy for you to name a heavyweight fight from the last 5 years where the fighters threw more punches than say the first Ali-Frazier fight, right?

 

Why am I stillcwaiting for this? This should have been an egasyvexercise if true. So were you wrong or just lying?

Oh, and I'm still waiting on that link. :yep

 

Everybody who fights Wlad gets past his jab. You exposed yourself as a moron.

 

shut the **** up, Berrosus.

 

You're comparing Haye to a a 1967 version of Ali?

Haye frustrated Wlad with his movement.

So how on earth would he have coped with Ali's movement?

 

Haye hits a good bit harder than even 67 Ali, lets be honest, so Wlad would be less worried about being tagged. Haye didn't frustrate him that much he lost a wide UD.

 

glover,

I agree. - W

Of ANY HW? A 67 version of Ali was very hard to hit. - A

I agree. - W

Ali's jab was much faster, and thrown while moving. - A

Ali was much more skillful. - A - easily.

CW? - A - easily.

He doesn't need to throw combinations?

You mean he can't throw them. - A

Barely even gets hit? Apart from when Sanders, Brewster and Puritty knocked him out, and Sam Peter had him hanging on for dear life? We're talking about a 67 version of Ali, not the 70's version that was faded and didn't have the footspeed, so had to rope a dope with Foreman etc.

- A

Ali fought Frazier, Foreman, Norton and Shavers past prime.

Are we not going to count Wlad's losses then, because they were big punches, and it was a long time ago?

When was Ali ever knocked out? - A

What and Ali didn't fight anyone in the 60's who was dangerous, with the potential to knock him out? - A

Ha! Surgical? - A - and it's not even close.

- A

Ali's footwork = Darting in and out of range, making an opponent miss, timing someone, feinting, creating angles etc.

- A - again it's not even close.

Overall = Ali was by far the better fighter. :good

 

Of course Haye hit's harder. But Ali threw lightning fast combinations, and although he didn't have huge power, it still would have been enough to cause Wlad problems. Every opponent Ali faced was wary of his hand speed and his accuracy. I'm sure that Wlad would have been wary of being tagged.

Although Wlad won a clear decision, Haye's movement frustrated Wlad. He was desperate for the knockout, and couldn't land clean, even when Haye was pressed up against the ropes.

If he had that much trouble with Haye's movement, there's no way he could have dealt with Ali's footwork dancing in the centre of the ring.

Haye's quick, but he hasn't got a great defence and great footwork.

Haye's footwork and movement were nowhere near Ali's. Not even close.

Wlad would have been bewildered by Ali's feints etc.

 

Ali was the better boxer, not in doubt, but you're looking at a modern day super heavy monster in Wladimir. I know you can point to Foreman but he just fought the wrong fight in Zaire, and Liston, who knows if that was a mob con or not. Wladimir is probably the best outside hw there's been, in terms of avoiding shots and landing with a very high championship KO precentage. Haye landed one shot on him, Haye the fastest hw I have seen since Iron Mike. I just think peak Wlad is too smart and powerful to be suckered in by a kid like 67 Ali. Wlad is boring but highly effective, more so than Ali in truth.